60 - 80% frame

[jburris2001]

wanting to build a custom 1911. Trying to locate a 60 - 80% frame. anyone know of where to get one. I have access to mill. If i cant find one thinking about milling one out of a block of billet. have complete set of blueprints for one. I am wanting to do this to build a custom pistol to me. not really for money saving.

[Lon371]

 I am not sure what 60% 80% is but you might look at this one on Gun broker. Frame 3 slides, barrel  3 days left.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=159169652

Also someone mentioned the other day. They picked up a Sarco Inc frame for $60. Will check with him.

Lonny

[olydraft]

   I bought a SARCO "tweaker frame" for 59.95 It is completely finish but the parts and or the frame may have to be fitted. Luckly I only had to do very minor fitting on the one I got. I don`t know if they have any left but you can give them a call.. Have to be shipped to an FFL.  Here a pic of the finished 1911...   By the way, it shoots like a dream....  Gary

[Savage]

Just a reminder: The frame is the gun on the 1911. If you machine a frame from billet, you are manufacturing a hand gun. That's likely worth a few years at government expense.
Savage

[williamlayton]

I have read this thread before and it appears that is what he is trying to avoid.
That is not what needs too be done and is risky business.
I don't reccommend it.
Sounds like he is baiting in a way.
Are you?
Blessings

[jburris2001]

I am in no way baiting. I just want a frame that i can complete myself. Prob wont go as far as making on from billet. a 60-80% frame is complete minus alittle bit of machining and drilling holes.

[Flint]

The point made was that you need to purchase a frame (in whatever condition of finish or completion you desire), that has a legitimate serial number,,, That is the ATF requirement, you cannot legally make your own from a billet.

[1911crazy]

Just a reminder: The frame is the gun on the 1911. If you machine a frame from billet, you are manufacturing a hand gun. That's likely worth a few years at government expense.
Savage

I think i won't like the food there plus the other people who live there too.

Thats why i want to purchase a serial numbered frame and matching slide already fitted to play with.  Do it legal and do it right.

My dad fed the monkeys at the zoo cherries soaked in wine and he always told me he would throw them at me if i ever got locked up of course he said peanuts too.  I never been or got introuble my whole life i been too busy working hard to survive.

[BIGDAVE54]

 You CAN make a frame from billet... The big BUT is this. You need to file a request for a license from the ATF to legally do it. I would first ask the ATF for guidance on the law in this area and follow their remarks to the letter of the law. I am trying to remember how it works so don't rely on my information. I believe you have to first apply and wait until you receive a license to complete the frame. You then have to assign a serial number to the pistol and engrave that number somewhere on the pistol. It has to stay with the pistol forever and can not be changed in any way.

[mrussel]

Just a reminder: The frame is the gun on the 1911. If you machine a frame from billet, you are manufacturing a hand gun. That's likely worth a few years at government expense.
Savage

 Not at all,you just have to do the paperwork. I dont know exactly what is required,but I do know that ATF can tell you what you need. I also dont know if its simple or such a pain that its not practical. Still,I know that people do it.

[olydraft]

from what I read about 60/80 frames it is legal to build without a serial numbered frame but it can never be sold. It would be for your own personal use. It can be left in a will to a certian person but they can never sell or trade it. It must be kept by the original builder or whoever it is left to in a will. The only way you can get rid of it is destroy it....

[mrussel]

from what I read about 60/80 frames it is legal to build without a serial numbered frame but it can never be sold. It would be for your own personal use. It can be left in a will to a certian person but they can never sell or trade it. It must be kept by the original builder or whoever it is left to in a will. The only way you can get rid of it is destroy it....

I seem to recall reading that. I would suggest that if someone DOES make something like that,they stamp some description on the frame and slide saying it cannot be legally sold,just so their grandchild,who inherited it from their child does not inadvertently sell it without realizing. The funny thing is,I have a shotgun with no serial number at all. Its 100% legal as it was made before ATF required them to have one.

[williamlayton]

Yea, right--like face to face folks care about Johnny Law  .
 Blessings

[mrussel]

Yea, right--like face to face folks care about Johnny Law  .
 Blessings

 I wouldn't want my great grandchild to accidentally do something that could land them in prison,especially if it were my fault and especially if there was something I could do to try to prevent it.  I can only imagine punishments will get more strict not less and the traceability and chance of getting caught will increase no decrease.

[jlwilliams]

  The amount of dis-information on home built guns is unbelievalbe, and people really think they know that "it's illegal".  I know I've been admonished for being un civil on this subject, but it annoys me when I see people pass on as fact that which they DO NOT know.  I know that gun laws are complex and we don't all know them all, but there seems to be a disposition toward saying "you'll go to prison" when the correct answere is "I don't know"

  There is no law (at least at the federal level, local laws may and do vary) saying a private party can't make a firearm for their own use.  In short, the gun has to be legal and the owner has to be elligable to own guns.  The limitations on the gun and owner are the same as a store bought weapon (barrel length, no full auto, all the regular restrictions).  You can make a rifle, pistol or shotgun for yourself.  If you want to sell them or make them for someone else you need licensing.

  You'd do well to research the actual laws.  BATFE has a Q&A section on their sight that's refreshingly helpful as government web info goes.  You may also want to check out weaponsguild.  That's a sight dedicated to people who build weapons for fun.  It's helpful on many levels. 

 

[mrussel]

  The amount of dis-information on home built guns is unbelievalbe, and people really think they know that "it's illegal".  I know I've been admonished for being un civil on this subject, but it annoys me when I see people pass on as fact that which they DO NOT know.  I know that gun laws are complex and we don't all know them all, but there seems to be a disposition toward saying "you'll go to prison" when the correct answere is "I don't know"

  There is no law (at least at the federal level, local laws may and do vary) saying a private party can't make a firearm for their own use.  In short, the gun has to be legal and the owner has to be elligable to own guns.  The limitations on the gun and owner are the same as a store bought weapon (barrel length, no full auto, all the regular restrictions).  You can make a rifle, pistol or shotgun for yourself.  If you want to sell them or make them for someone else you need licensing.

  You'd do well to research the actual laws.  BATFE has a Q&A section on their sight that's refreshingly helpful as government web info goes.  You may also want to check out weaponsguild.  That's a sight dedicated to people who build weapons for fun.  It's helpful on many levels. 

 

 I dont know the specifics,but my understanding is that they cant be sold unless they are made by a licensed individual. My understanding is that they can be inherited,but that person cannot sell them either,so my point was that perhaps it would be a good idea to mark it as such so that a descendant would not get jammed up by selling it at a gun show or in a private sale via the internet or putting it in the trasportomat and beaming it to someone on their same sub-net (which in the future may be otherwise legal in the Midwestern American Federation,but not in the Peoples Republic of Califoregon or the Peoples Democratic Free State of New York. Its wont really be as free as the name suggests by the way)

[billy_56081]

It is not illegal to manufacture a legal firearm for ones own personal use.. This is no different that putting a conversion cylinder on a cap and ball revolver.