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How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« on: February 08, 2013, 08:31:18 AM »
So i've been thinking, I really have a thing for the enfield no. 4s and i'd love one in every caliber... but for a more reasonable conversion, how about a 38-55? The pressure is well within the limit, the cartridges are similarly sized as far as the magazine goes, and the rim diameter is...close but a little off, right around a 30-30 size rim. Anyone know how practical this would be? Or what one might expect to pay for the conversion(i'm new in the diy business and don't have the tools i'd like yet)?

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 04:39:19 PM »
Being  a Canadian where the Lee Enfield 303 British was the weapon of choice for many years and responsible for more  deer, bear and moose being harvested than any other rifle ,I have to wonder why anyone would rechamber it  in anything other than 303[.311]not withstanding just plain interest .Each to his own but it seems to me the 38-55 belongs on a  Winchester lever gun.

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2013, 10:54:31 PM »
Anyone know how practical this would be? Or what one might expect to pay for the conversion(i'm new in the diy business and don't have the tools i'd like yet)?


 I think it would be completely impractical and cost at least a few times what the average SMLE is currently worth.


 But that never stopped me if I really wanted something unique.  ;)
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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 03:49:58 AM »
Oh i agree, i'd take a 303 over any other .30 cal cartridge any day. I don't see much of a point in having multiple guns of the same caliber, but i like the no 4 design and action, trigger, and sights above any other type, i'd like to have a few of them but in several different calibers on the platform.

I wanna do it mostly as a "why the heck not" experiment. And then one in 223(because in theory i like the 223 but hate ARs and i feel breakover single shots are more suited to large caliber kickers)

And i love bolt action rifles but i'm really not a fan of mauser bolts, i prefer enfield bolts. And you can generally only find those on lee enfields. So to me, to get the rifles and calibers i want, my option seems to be limited to rebarreling enfields

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 04:48:09 AM »
I would probably leave it as is. The 303 is a fine cartridge. If you really want to go up in caliber, there are several wildcats based on the 303 case. That way you keep the same rim diameter and feeding is normal.

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 05:22:01 AM »
I suppose a 38/303 wildcat would be fun. I just wouldn't know what the heck to do for brass and dies. Any idea how much a gunsmith would charge to convert one to 38? Or 35?

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 11:16:17 AM »
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe (wihtout lookin') that the bolt faces on the SMLEs are flat and the only thing that centers the case on the firing pin is the barrel.  If the extractor will grab the case rim enough to get a hot round out of a barrel then as long as the firing pin indentation is centered on the firing pin you wouldn't have a problem. 
 
There are barrel makers who will rebarrel a good SMLE action (usually in the original caliber though) and it's for the cost of the barrel and smithing to get it installed and headspaced properly.  You would probably pay as much for a Epps conversion as you would for a 38-55 conversion.  I think the magazine work is something either a knowledgeable smith would need to deal with or a home project, although maybe one of the Gibbs Rifle Company magazines converted to 45-70 might work.  Good luck.

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 10:24:56 PM »
Honestly here are a few thoughts that come to mind.  :o sounds to me that your wanting to take a relative inexpensive rifle and triple your investment in it. While at the same time reduce the sale potential of that rifle to very few people.
In other words go ahead but plan to keep it forever cause you'll never be able to sell it except for 10cents on the dollar.  :D

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Re: How would a lee enfield in 38-55 work?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 09:15:55 AM »
That conversion (in a slightly different case) will work great, it was an original english cartridge called the 375-2.5inch nitro express.  Lee Speed conversion rifles were chambered for it.


In todays world, in the U.S., this is still an easy conversion.  The cartridge to use is the .38-72.  It can be formed directly from Hornady .405 brass; dies are available from 4D dies.  This version is about a tenth of an inch shorter than the 2.5 inch one, but uses readily available brass.  You can also use 303 british brass, just have to chamber it slightly shorter because that brass isn't quite as long.  Or, could get a custom reamer ground, it's called the .375-303.  Slightly modifying the sizing die by grinding it shorter might be required if you use .38-72 dies.  I've formed brass from .303 in my dies, and they came out dimensionally okay to match my reamer.


I am going to do this exact conversion, and I have the reamer for it already; I've chambered a couple rifles in that caliber.  However, instead of using a Lee Enfield, I'll use a P-14 Enfield.  That way, it would be worth more than the original parts when it was done, instead of less.  P-14 actions are readily availabe in the $100 range, and will work without alteration for this cartridge.  just a bit of tuning to make it feed will be required.


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