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I finally shot my 20G TDC today :)
« on: August 15, 2010, 10:22:11 AM »
Well, back from the range with a range report;

I decided to take my H&R TDC 20Ga

The bad news; the trap range was closed
The good news; I was able to pattern the TDC 20G
Ammo used; Rio 7/8 Oz trap loads with #9 shot
The TDC 20G is also equipped with the same homemade recoil-absorbing system I have installed in my 12G TDC and the stock "Big Squishy" H&R factory recoil pad

With my first shot with the 20, I wasn't sure what to expect recoil-wise**, I've heard stories of how the 20 gauge Toppers/Pardners actually recoil worse than the 12's due to them being lighter, so as I thumbed back the hammer, I prepared myself for a typical 12-gauge recoil...

as I pulled the trigger, I was treated to a soft, pleasant shove, no unpleasant "punchy" recoil, in fact, it felt like there as no recoil to speak of, I'm sure part of that was the fact that I was shooting light target loads was a big factor in the intensity of the perceived recoil, but the fact remains that recoil from *this* H&R single-shot 20G was what I would term "pleasant/negligible", it had a pushy/shove-y feel to it, muzzle lift was negligible, and when I tried to do a "double" shot by holding a spare shell in my support hand, I found that I could fire one shell, eject, load and fire the second shell in a little over 1.5 seconds, and that's with *NO* practice on a new-to-me gun that is still a little stiff when opening, once the parts wear in and it drops open under it's own weight when the release button is pressed, I'm sure I can cut the reload time down even more

With the full choke tube, it throws a nice tight pattern at 16 yards, good and dense, no voids or gaps,the pattern is about 5" across, it also seems to shoot a tad high but centered on POA

With the modified tube in, the pattern opens up to about 8-9" and there appear to be a couple gaps in the pattern, the mod would be a better general purpose choke, but the full choke is far better for trap

I am *extremely* impressed, both with this particular gun, which has now fast become my absolute *favorite* shotgun, yes, even surpassing my family heirloom Parker VH (I always feel guilty using an irreplaceable family heirloom, the TDC 20G has the look and feel of an honest *working man's* gun), and with the 20 gauge shotshell in general, I guess if I could sum up the 20G with one word, that word would be "balanced", it throws a decent shot payload, and in the right gun, recoil is easily manageable, if not even unnoticeable

When the time does come for my *next* shotgun (and the next after that, and the one after that, ad infinitum) I'm pretty sure they're all gonna' be 20's from here on out, for my purposes, the 20 just plain works, and does it without being abusive or uncomfortable to shoot

now, to be fair to my 12's, I will have to shoot some HD loads through the 20 to see how it handles those, but as a sporting gun, this humble H&R 20G TDC just plain works for me, it does the job perfectly, and it's going to be my primary clay games gun


** before I left for the range, I hefted both the 12 and the 20 at the same time, they seem to weigh about the same, it would make sense, as the 20 appears to have the same outside barrel diameter, perhaps a piece of 12-gauge barrel stock that has a 20 gauge bore cut through it instead of a 12-gauge bore, the barrel walls of the 20 are noticeably thicker than the 12, and it feels like a "heavy/bull barrel"

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Re: I finally shot my 20G TDC today :)
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 04:23:33 PM »
20ga TDC isn't even bad with with 3" turkey loads
308 win                 45-70                       12ga         
30-30                    223 stainless steel   20ga TDC
44 mag                  Tracker II 20ga        20ga
45-70 Manlicher     20ga USH                28ga
                                                              410ga

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Re: I finally shot my 20G TDC today :)
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 05:57:29 PM »
When you receive the gun, how many chokes are supplied from the factory- 1, 3, other???
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Re: I finally shot my 20G TDC today :)
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2010, 06:49:42 PM »
Have the forceing cone lengthened it will improve the patterns
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Re: I finally shot my 20G TDC today :)
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 05:46:11 AM »
I think I got mine in the 2nd year of production, it only came with a mod choke. I sold a mossberg 500 to a guy and all he wanted was the HS strut turkey choke and the modified so that gave me an IC & full for the TDC
308 win                 45-70                       12ga         
30-30                    223 stainless steel   20ga TDC
44 mag                  Tracker II 20ga        20ga
45-70 Manlicher     20ga USH                28ga
                                                              410ga

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Re: I finally shot my 20G TDC today :)
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2010, 09:48:37 AM »
Got back from my first trap sessions with my TDC 20G, it performed with 100% reliability, *NO* FTF, FTE, or any other mechanical issues, the shooter needs work though... ;)

All 3 trap rounds were shot at the 16 yard line

First round of trap, TruLock Full choke and Rio Top Target 7/8 oz #9 shot loads; 12 out of 25, not too good, had trouble on stations 1 and 5, the extreme angles specifically
Second round of trap, switched to standard Modified choke tube, same ammo (Rio #9 7/8 oz) 17 out of 25, getting better, it's clear that for the moment, the Full tube is throwing too tight of a pattern
Third round of trap, Modified choke still in place, change ammo to Winchester WinLite 7/8 oz #8 shot, 19 out of 25; definite improvement, the Rio #9 shot wasn't optimal

I chatted with the other trap shooters after cleaning up the range and putting away the microphone thingies that trigger the trap thrower, and they told me that #9 is better off for Skeet, and that Full choke is better for shooting at the longer handicap ranges like 20 yards and above

It seems the combination that works for me is a #8 shell throwing a 7/8 Oz load, when I was on target with that load, it *dusted* the Evil Orange Frisbee, using #9 tended to "chunk" the EOF, or knock off a large chip, all I need now is more practice, properly mounting and sighting the gun, and keeping my follow-through going and my scores should go up

this was my first *actual* trap game with my 20G, I think I did passably well with what is essentially a new-to-me gun

One thing that I really appreciated on this trip was the utter reliability of the break-barrel design, on the first two trap sessions, there were two other shooters with high-end break-barrel trap guns, another with a Benelli pump action clad in black polymer, and another shooter with a semiauto, out of the five of us, the only shooter that had difficulty was the guy with the semiauto, had problems with FTE and FTF at least four times during the match, the pump and break-action guns never skipped a beat....

to be fair, it's possible the semiauto may have needed some maintenance, or just didn't like what it was being fed, but the fact remains it was the only gun that gave it's shooter any trouble