maybe it was the great plains hunter. they said it was 1:32 so i guess that was the one. either way it seems like a great deal. i know the 1:60 shoots the round ball and the 1:32 shoots the sabots. is there a big difference in the way they shoot? i have heard the lyman name before and have been told it is a good one. thanks again Tim, this is a great site and if it was not for this site i would have never gone with the handi's and i am glad i did. thanks.