Doc, Good point. At the TTHA show in Houston this past August I talked to a few hunting ranch reps. They never would mention the size of their ranch, but f pressed they would usually give the size with the disclaimer about how wild the animals were and thick the cover was. I talked to one bow hunting place and just wasn't buying what he was selling, but it was nice to ask, always looking for a good deal on a red deer. Right behind me a guy walked up and asked about cross bows and the rep stated that they were not allowed and wasn't very courteous about it. Hmm. I guess with the growth of X-bow hunters they are not looking to make any money off of that.