Need Coyote Calling Help

[handgunhunter]

I have a friend that's a farmer here in NC.  He sees Coyotes often.  He's worried about them getting new calves.  I've tried calling with a rabbit squeal and others from a Phantom Predetor call. I have been setting up in the edge of woods over looking a pasture or a fence-line and lying prone.  I wear camo and wear a head net.  I have never called one in that I have seen.  The other day he called me and said he saw 4 coyotes at one time in some hay he had just cut.  They were looking for mice that the haybine had killed I think. Anyway I set up in the late evening and did kill 2 young coyotes from the hay.  Can anyone give me some advice on what I may be doing wrong on the calling?  Thanks very much!

[Redfrog]

"I have never called one in that I have seen." And there's the ticket. Get out of the brush into the pasture, lie prone, watch the wind, call, and kill them as they come out of the cover. :wink:  

One of the most common errors is calling in a setup where you can't see them coming in. You don't get the target, but they get educated. As long as your movement is kept to a minimum, they won't spook until they wind you.

[KYODE]

here in KY. last winter, me and a couple buddies called about 4-5 in by playing a high pitch cottontail cd on his lohman caller. played it loud for 30 minutes of continuous play. sometimes they come in 10 minutes or less, sometimes up to 20 minutes. then if nothing shows, we move to another location. i havn't taken one yet, but both of my buddies did. a little luck may be involved :wink:

[toecatch]

Redfrog said it best. Execpt the yotes to come in from the brush side depending on the wind. Most likely they are hearing you call, coming up thru the woods, and catching you calling. All your attention is pointed towards the feild. watch the downwind side, and the spots with good cover.

[yotesRus]

I hunt coyotes in Co and Wy, so this may not be quite the same as NC.  I use a Primos Coyote Buster, which is fairly loud, has a great range of frequency and versatility.  In the spring (lambs, fawns, calves on the ground) I can make it sound like a young animal, working up to one who needs his mama in a bad way.  This brings the coyotes in, sometimes within a few feet if I'm real still.  90% of them come from downwind.  I make sure I call, then scan around me with binocs.  Lots of times people leave too soon if they don't see a coyote.  Keep in mind that if the coyote is a mile away, he can hear your call and may be coming in, as you get disgusted and leave.  A coyote can cover a mile in 5 minutes if he's in a hurry, but when they hunt or come to a call, they often slow down and get real careful, which means they may take 15-20 minutes.  Overcalling can hurt your chances too.  I call for maybe a minute, then wait for 5-10 minutes, call for maybe 15 seconds, then wait another 5-10 minutes, then I call for another minute, wait for 5-10.  If nothing shows up, I move.  Coyotes are pretty cagey about smell too, so I make sure I don't slather on bug stuff or use deodorant/scented soap.  I wear a coat I hang in the horse barn, and sometimes grind up sagebrush in my hands to help cover my scent.  Hide good, call a little, keep your eyes moving, and don't smell bad.  If you can locate a dead calf/cow, hunt that area.  Good luck.

[TMFLDEM]

agreed with yotesrus, i hunt yotes in NE and the same thing here, location is the key, i never lie prone but sit up against good cover, maybe a yuca(soap weed) or maybe a small cedar tre call the same intervals as rus instructed and ALWAYS play the wind, take extra care getting to ur calling stand so u r not seen, use low profile areas to get to where u want to call frm and u should get a good chance, also since u may have educated a few yotes in that area u may have to change up calls now and again, maybe to a house cat or sumthing a lil on the original side o things! gl

[Darrell Davis]

Hey there dog hunters,

Have had a little bit of time behind the call. Enough that I have been able to see the imeadiate reaction of one or two critters when the call was first blown.

The reaction of the dog was to say the least, quick. When that dinner bell rang they were off and moving. However, it was not a head on rush towards my location, but rather a circle into the wind.

On another setup, a dog locked up out aways and my gunner never spotted him. I thought I was down below the sky line, but looking back it was obvious I wasn't from the critters position.

From what I have seen, I would guess that if you are any good with a call you ARE GETTING a reaction from the dogs. If I am correct in that, then the problem is location and/or not holding tight long enough.

The comment about education was also valid and probably one reason why they take their time and check things out before we see them.

Keep em coming! :wink:

[coyote sniper]

Try hunting at night if your local laws allow.  I like to set up just like most people do during the day, but i carry a spotlight with a red lens on it.  Call like you normally would and check the surroundings occassionally with the spotlight.  In my experience, coyotes aren't afraid of the red light.  Another tool i like to use during night hunting is night vision.  This lowers the need to move around alot when you use the spotlight.  Trust me, this works when it is done right.

[Doghunter]

You may to try some coyote talk. Start out with  lonsome howl  after a few minutes try soft critter hurtten calls. A few yips and barks and they may think another dog has moved  in. Here in AZ some areas get called heavy .  That has worked in those areas. Wait 10 min. at least before calling again. you don't want to over call shy dogs.

[Glanceblamm]

I have a friend that's a farmer here in NC.  He sees Coyotes often.  He's worried about them getting new calves.  I've tried calling with a rabbit squeal and others from a Phantom Predetor call. I have been setting up in the edge of woods over looking a pasture or a fence-line and lying prone.  I wear camo and wear a head net.  I have never called one in that I have seen.  The other day he called me and said he saw 4 coyotes at one time in some hay he had just cut.  They were looking for mice that the haybine had killed I think. Anyway I set up in the late evening and did kill 2 young coyotes from the hay.  Can anyone give me some advice on what I may be doing wrong on the calling?  Thanks very much!

These central Ill Ki-Oats seem to behave like Darrel was saying. They never seem to make a head long rush to the call, but will make a wide circle into the wind. I have seen them come in at a dead run, but then will begin thier own stalk within 50 to 150 yards. They dont like to cross open areas, so make sure and give them a way to get close to you or they might not come at all. A decoy can work great here as it will keep attention off yourself.