GODLESS ONES CALL FOR PREACHERS DEATH.

[powderman]

http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-san-diego/kill-the-pastor-jihadist-calls-for-american-muslims-to-kill-pastor-terry-jones



The Godless ones have said that muslims living in America should murder Pastor Terry Jones because he TALKED about burning satans handbook. I didn't say  American muslim cause there is no such critter. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

Interesting parallel between this story and those here suggesting that we attack muslims.

[Dixie Dude]

Sometimes the only way to stop a school yard bully is for someone to beat him up.  Same here.  I don't believe those here are bullies, but they like me are tired of being bullied by muslims.  If they come here, they should adapt our culture, laws, etc, just like if we go over there.  This is not the way their religion works.  Early Christianity spread by word of mouth, good works, and teaching the truth.  Early Islam spread by warfare and was stopped in Tours France in the 600's, and in eastern Europe by the Austria-Hungarians.  They were eventually driven out of India.  Now they are trying to take over by immigration to western countries.  They seem to be relentless in their efforts for world domination.  I think it is the Anti-Christs religion. 

[powderman]

DIXIE DUDE. Good post, you pretty well have them pegged. World domination was, is, always will be their goal.  POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

Early Christianity spread by word of mouth, good works, and teaching the truth.

I just threw up in my mouth. I suppose that if you define early as early 1900's you might have a point.

[Land_Owner]

Someone smarter and more witty than me penned:

"George Washington didn't use his First Amendment Rights to talk to the British.  He shot them."

Yeah, it is just like that...

[okieshooter]

Early Christianity spread by word of mouth, good works, and teaching the truth.

I just threw up in my mouth. I suppose that if you define early as early 1900's you might have a point.

When do you define early?? The garden of Eden or the death of Christ??

[Dixie Dude]

Wreckhog, Until Constantine became Christian, Christianity was persecuted in the Roman empire.  It still spread by word of mouth all over the empire, south to Ethopia, east to India, north into Europe without war, without bloodshed.  It was only after the Catholic Church became powerful did they start the Crusades and later the inquisitions against Prostestants and Jews.  The first several hundred years, Christianity didn't have a central chruch, just local groups of believers.  The Centralised chruch came after Constantine became a Christian, and the Roman and Greek temples and leaders changed the name on their doors to Christian, and brought into Christianity a lot of pagan culture.  True Christians have always been persecuted, because they stand for what is right and the truth.  Jesus said all the commandments can be summed up in two, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and might, and love your neighbor as yourself.  This is why Christianity spread.  It is the only true religion of peace and love.  In my studies, the only religion that comes close in action to true Christianity is Buddism.  Jesus said DO for others as you would have them DO for you.  Buddah said Don't do anything to others you wouldn't want have done to you.  Jesus was outward, showing love and kindness to others.  Buddah was inward.  AND the most important thing Jesus died for our sins, because we can't be good enought to save ourselves.  He is the only one to be resurected also to show who he really was.  All other religious leaders died.  We as Christians being the salt of the earth can't just stand by and let bullies be bullies, whether an individual or a nation. 

[gypsyman]

Still reading the Bible wreckhog. When I find the passage that tells me it's ok to stone my wife, murder my children, run over some boys arm 'cause he stole a loaf of bread, and promote the murder of a Pastor because of something he wanted to do, I'll let you know. gypsyman

[powderman]

DIXIE DUDE. Good post again. I gotta warn ya though, libs can't handle too many facts at once, it confuses them, gives em headaches. POWDERMAN.   

[Sourdough]

Was listening to Hannity earlier this week.  He had two women that had been raised in the middle east.  One born a Muslim, one born a Christian in Lebanon.  Both grew up speaking and reading Arabic, and have read the Quran.  Today both have been targeted for death because they live in America and speak out and tell what the Quran says.  The one from Lebanon tells how her country was Christian, then invaded by Muslims and taken over by them.  How she was forced to learn the Quran by heart in school.  Today she can recite chapter and verse by memory. 

Both women speak out s to how the Imams are told to lie by the Quran to convince people that the Quran and Islam is a book and religion of peace.  It tells them to do what ever it takes to convert people, then at a point you start taxing the converts.  Those that do not convert are to be killed.  They told how at first Mohammod tried to console and win over the Jews and Christians by professing peace and harmony.  Then as it failed to win over the numbers he wanted, he said all the teachings in the past, early parts of the book no longer counted.  Everything from this point on supersedes everything earlier in the book.  This is where he tells his followers to kill the infadels.  Listening to what these two women have to say and seeing what is going on all over the world scares the heck out of me.  I forsee Islam taking over the world within our children's lifetimes.  Not good.  Only places like Australia and New Zeland might resist.  I think it is already too late for the United States of America and Canada.  The United States of Mexico might take a while longer.

[powderman]

I think it is already too late for the United States of America and Canada.  The United States of Mexico might take a while longer.

SOURDOUGH. Good post, all true, BUT, I doubt the Godless ones are interested in mexico, the mexicans don't even want to be there. POWDERMAN. 

[MGMorden]

Early Christianity spread by word of mouth, good works, and teaching the truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Inquisition

Heck the Protestants and the Catholics are STILL killing each other over in Ireland over religious squabbles.

Trust me there have been plenty of times in history when you could be put to the sword (or worse) for not being "Christian enough".  Heck one of the MAIN reasons for immigration to this very country was certain branches of Christians fleeing the persecution of other groups of Christians.  

Christianity spread to many corners of the world through violence and conquest.  It has, for the most part, shed that practice in modern times, but Islam hasn't.  That's one of the main reasons it's spreading - violent religions have ALWAYS spread fastest because the "convert or die" mentality gets you a lot of converts.  Particularly when you already have it in your mind that there's "something out there" anyways.  Switching from one religion to another isn't a big stretch for people.  Once you've been convinced that one fairy tale is real, the rest is just minor changes in the details.  

Heck just look at Scientology.  Their religion is based on a book (Dianetics) written just 60 years ago.  L. Ron Hubbard made a bet with another author that he could write a book right then and turn it into a religion with followers.  That's no huge stretch - people have been doing it for thousands of years - but the fact that he did it within a few decades is truly telling.   Almost all Scientologists are converts from some other religion.  It's much harder to convert someone who doesn't believe in fairy tales in the first place.

That said, as I've always maintained - freedom of speech and religion is our most important right.  As the saying goes - "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I'd die to protect your right to say it".  The pastor did no wrong in talking about burning the books, or would he have if he actually had burned them.  If there's a credible threat against his life, then he needs to be protected.  

[MGMorden]

Still reading the Bible wreckhog. When I find the passage that tells me it's ok to stone my wife, murder my children, run over some boys arm 'cause he stole a loaf of bread, and promote the murder of a Pastor because of something he wanted to do, I'll let you know. gypsyman

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Exodus 21:15
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Isiah 13:15-18
15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.

18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

[Dixie Dude]

The Old Testiment was to show how impossible it was for one to be holy before God.  Jesus did that for us and we no longer have to resort to violence.  We have a New Testiment.  Jesus said to love your enemies, do good to those who despitefully use you.  You can win them over with your good behaviour.  He said to forgive, like the woman caught in adultry who was supposed to be stoned.  Jesus fulfilled the holiness required by the Old Testiment, died for our sins, resurected, and saves those who put their trust in them.  Paul said to put those who sin out of the chruch until they repent, shun them, not kill them.  This is what we are to do today, but some chruches do not practice this, some do.  Lots of people in churches who are not true believers, just there for the socialising, promote their business, or something.  When I said the early chruch, I ment the first 300+/- years.  It did not spread by conquest, but through the preaching and teaching of the Gospel (good news). 

[FourBee]

A report came out not long ago to refute the claim by Isalm, that it was the 2nd largest growing religion in the world.
 
The report stated that within the muslim nations Christianity is secretly absorbing an ever increasing portion of youth and young adults.

Here they are, (muslims), charging into the west to attempt a cultural overthrow and they can't even keep the lid on those people within their own borders.

[powderman]

DIXIE DUDE. Another good post.
FOURBEE. Those converting to Christianity have to do it quietly or the religion of peace will kill them. POWDERMAN. 

[Dee]

Wreckhog, Until Constantine became Christian, Christianity was persecuted in the Roman empire.  It still spread by word of mouth all over the empire, south to Ethopia, east to India, north into Europe without war, without bloodshed.  It was only after the Catholic Church became powerful did they start the Crusades and later the inquisitions against Prostestants and Jews.  The first several hundred years, Christianity didn't have a central chruch, just local groups of believers.  The Centralised chruch came after Constantine became a Christian, and the Roman and Greek temples and leaders changed the name on their doors to Christian, and brought into Christianity a lot of pagan culture.  True Christians have always been persecuted, because they stand for what is right and the truth.  Jesus said all the commandments can be summed up in two, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and might, and love your neighbor as yourself.  This is why Christianity spread.  It is the only true religion of peace and love.  In my studies, the only religion that comes close in action to true Christianity is Buddism.  Jesus said DO for others as you would have them DO for you.  Buddah said Don't do anything to others you wouldn't want have done to you.  Jesus was outward, showing love and kindness to others.  Buddah was inward.  AND the most important thing Jesus died for our sins, because we can't be good enought to save ourselves.  He is the only one to be resurected also to show who he really was.  All other religious leaders died.  We as Christians being the salt of the earth can't just stand by and let bullies be bullies, whether an individual or a nation. 

Constantine was a heathen first and last. Christmas as established by him is actually the "Winter Solstice", just as decorating trees, and the hanging of the greens, all of which were Druid holidays. Constantine compromised with the druids and others on such things so they would all agree to be "Christians". Christ was actually born somewhere in September or October during Passover, and was crucified during the same holiday, as Easter is actually another Drud holiday, celebrating Esther the"Goddess of Spring" and or Fertility. The catholic church is guilty of much of this crap,  and continues to spread heresy, and many church denominations blindly have followed their lead.

[Dixie Dude]

Dee, I do agree with you.  When or IF Constantine did become Christian, the Pagan Temples to all the Roman and Greek gods just changed the name over their doors and it evolved into the Catholic Church.  The Eastern Orthodox wasn't as bad as they did keep baptism by emersion and making a commitment to Christ before baptism, and they allow their priests to marry thus keeping out problems associated with cebelacy.  True Christians like the Anabaptists, French Huganauts, English Pruitians, etc were persecuted by both the Catholics and state Church of England. 

One thing the West did was have a Renanasance and a Reformation thus ending a lot of the persecution.  I stand by my saying, the EARLY chruch (between the resurection of Christ and Constantine) DID NOT EXPAND BY FORCE. 

[powderman]

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HEH, I wouldn't have quite said that but I definitely get your drift. POWDERMAN.  

[FourBee]

Constantine was definitly a heathen.  He fell for the doctrine that was going around that if you get baptized before you die, you will go to heaven.  Thus he instructed them to do on his dieing day.   The statue of mary in the heathen's temple, that became the catholic temple, is actually diana, the goddess of prostitution.

I'm delighted to see that Dee and Dixie Dude have been burning some midnight oil.  

Jesus Christ indeed was born during the last of the festivals, called the fall festivals of Trumpets, Atonment, and Tabernacles.  

Jewish tradition says Adam was also created then.  Jesus died on Passover.  that feast as well as all the others were, and are a foreshadow of Jesus Christ's death resurrection, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (Spirit) feast of unleavened bread, The Rapture, the 7 Years Tribulation (atonement) Armeggedon, and the Thousand Year Reign of Christ (feast of Tabernacles)thousand years of peace.

Constantine mother was a fortune teller and probably a witch.  She is the one who mis-named that mountain in the Sinai Peninsula, Mt Sinai.  Elijah and Paul both make it clear Mt. Sinai is in Arabia (Midian), and as of late , expeditions into that area has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the Mountain of Moses.  

[bigMikeA]

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  yep, me too....  

[Dixie Dude]

Yep, Jesus was probably born in the fall, late September or early October.  Probably what the Jews call Yom Kippor today.  It is clear that He died and was resurected at before Passover.  The time of Christmas and Easter was chosen only to appease the pagans who had come into the chruch.