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m&P 40
« on: September 06, 2010, 06:29:16 AM »
I would like to know what you all think of this gun. I just bought one and have about 150 rounds thru it. No problems and the accuracy seems good. I am not an auto loader guy and I need a lot of practice to bring the group size down. I am shooting about 4 inch groups at 10 yrds and it very hard for me to slow down I really like to shoot fast and it seems I get just about the same size groups shooting rapid fire or slow. any tips on shooting or thoughts on this gun would be appriciated. what size groups should I be able to get at say 10 25 or 50 yrds?
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Re: m&P 40
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 03:29:26 AM »
My biggest issue with both the Smith & Wesson M&P line of pistols, as well as the Springfield Armory XD line is the constant slide rusting issues that come up all the time with these guns. The Smith & Wesson M&P Models are having severe rusting issues with the slide, and have been for some time now. Google "Smith & Wesson M&P slide rusting issues", and you'll get the phone book.

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 This is being caused by the inferior Melonite treatment process to the slide itself. Springfield Armory went through much the same thing with their XD line of pistols a while back. That process did not involve Melonite, but the result was much the same. The slides themselves rusted like an old railroad track, especially when carried in a cold climate. When going from the cold outdoors into a warm building the in / out condensation rusted the slides on these guns in no time.

 The reason for this is Melonite, and all of the other trade names this process is sold under, are far inferior to the Tenifer process that is used by Glock. I know someone will argue that, but it is a fact. Melonite, along with the other processes like Tufftride and Nitride, (both gas and liquid), are sold as being, "Just as good". The fact of the matter is they are not. Certainly not from a rust and or corrosion standpoint. The best proof of this over the years is both companies, (Smith & Wesson and Springfield Armory), who have used the Melonite process, or ones similar to it including the forms of different Phosphate treatments, have all experienced rusting issues, while a Tenifer treated Glock is all but impossible to acquire any rust on in most any environment. This has been proven over and over in torture treatment after torture treatment involving everything from ocean immersion for months on end to storage in rock salt. Tenifer beats all other anti rust metal treatments hands down. It also reduces the coefficient of friction of the surface itself substantially. It is one of the reasons Glock treats the inside of the barrel itself with it. The Tenifer process is .005 M.M. thick, and is close to the hardness of Diamond. This is why it wears so well. It literally takes years of daily carry for a Glock pistol to develop any kind of holster wear on the slide because of this process.

 The reason S&W and Springfield Armory don't use it is because the Tenifer process is banned in this country because it cannot be made to meet EPA environmental standards. This is why the Glock pistol is made in Austria, but assembled in this country in Georgia. Glock applies the Tenifer in Austria where the slide and barrel itself is manufactured. The parts are then shipped here, and the pistol assembled, boxed, and shipped to various distributors.

 The Springfield Armory XD line of pistols are made in Croatia, but are shipped as completed guns. There really is no reason they could not use the Tenifer process on their XD line unless there is a logistics problem in getting it done, or else there may be a cost issue. I don't know, but I do know that Glock has it, and Springfield does not. Because of that an XD is far more likely to acquire rusting issues than any Glock ever will.

 There is in fact zero reason for a modern defensive carry pistol to be prone to rust in today's manufacturing era. These metal treatments are out there. Glock has proven for over 25 years they do in fact work. A Glock has proven to be one of the most, if not THE most weather resistant handgun manufactured to date. You should not have to keep a modern defensive pistol soaked with oil to prevent it from rusting. That is nonsense. It isn't the 1950's anymore. The other manufacturers tout their metal treatment processes like Melonite as "Just as good", when in fact it has been proven they are not. S&W needs to step up to the plate here. It is 2010 and they are having trouble matching manufacturing standards Glock has set the bar at in the early 80's. To me that is totally unacceptable in today's day and age. Bill T.

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Re: m&P 40
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 04:32:16 PM »
I have a full sized M&P .40 and I love it.  I have not had it for long and have not had a chance to shoot a lot of rounds threw it but like you have had no problems at all so far.  The trigger just keeps getting better the more i shoot it.  It felt a little gritty at first but has smoothed out a lot.  I think that the rust issues were confined to earlier series guns and that the problem has been resolved.  I find it a bit hard to swallow anyway since the slides are made of stainless.  I know stainless is not rust proof but it is pretty rust resistant.   

Glocks are fine, very reliable guns but I believe that time will prove that the S&W M&P are every bit as reliable, well made and accurate as the Glocks.  Some folks seem to worship Glocks and nothing else could ever come close to one in there minds.  If that's what they want to believe that's fine but I guess they forgot that the original .40cal Glocks had a bad habit of self destructing until Glock revamped the feed ramps of their barrels to better support the case of the high pressure .40S&W round.   I have nothing against Glocks except that I have never held one that felt right in my hand but that is subjective.
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Re: m&P 40
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 03:18:50 AM »
I've had a M&P 40 (service model) for a few years now and have about 2500rnds through it and of the two hickups I've had it was the ammo and not the gun. I use the gun as my next tot he bed and 3-gun competition handgun. The rusting issue i've never ran into hence they are stainless the novak night sights on the other hand have gotten some surface rust from time to time on them. Trigger work is extremely easy to do on the M&P just a file and a stone is all that's needed. I ran a glock for the longest time as my carry gun. I got a M&P in my hand and the ergonomics of it are far surpassing the glock in my mind. plus it has a lower bore line then the glock as well hence for more direct recoil into the hand hence fast follow up shots. I have had a XD in the past and my quarm with it was the long trigger return to get back into battery .500 of a inch, the glocks are .350 (granted that is their standard factory sear) and the M&P is .300 and with a small amout of work can be brought down to .150 and pull weight down to 2.5 lbs. Like I said this is also my competition gun hence the trigger work. I liked my fulll size so much I did go out and buy a M&P40 compact to have as my carry gun, but no trigger work done to it though I feel the factory 5.5 trigger it came with for safety reasons in a defensive situation. Far as accuracy goes I get about 2" (15 shot whole clip) groups at 25 yards with my full size and about 3" with the compact (10 shot whole clip)  In other words I think  the M&P's are great and I have a hard time finding you being dissapointed with it.

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Re: m&P 40
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 02:18:05 PM »
I Have three M&P's   Have never had rust on any part of any of them.  Most people that own Firearms wipe them down before storage. The ones that don't have rusted firearms.  Does not matter what the finish is. If not taken care of it will have rust (Unless its stainless).  In point S&W does mark the slide as stainless. which is dumb (It's steel).   
I love the M&P Line  They are right with Glock In my eyes and I've owned several .
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