iwas wondering if any of you are shooting the 25/20 in a contender carbine,i have one and i cant seem to make it shoot all that great.i've tried the 75 gr speer,86 gr rem and the 87 gr speer spitzer.the 87 has done the best so far.i've tried powders ranging from lilgun to 322 with standard and b.r primers and various seating depths.i do my testing @60 yds and the groups are usually around 3" if you want to call them groups.they usually resemble verticle stringing but on a 45 deg angle with one going high maybe the next going low nothing consistantly one way or the other.i always push my shoulder back so there is no tension on the brass but not exessive headspace on the other end.tight brass tends to produce vert string in my other bottleneck bbl's.so,what are you all doing to get yours to group?