just a little info for those that hunt. shot a smallish doe other mornin w 7-30 waters in 14in tc,load was healthy charge of h4895 under 120 v-max hornady in reformed rem case. i had asked horn rep to predict if this bullet/cartridge combo would act as a game/varmint round he stated game. spine in front of shoulders hit at 98 yds,bullet came unglued, fragments only found, would not use on deer again. should make a fine varmint bullet but way too soft or medium game.