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Offline SHOOTALL

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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2010, 02:30:13 AM »
Funny how when folks break the law they blame it on everything but themselves. Excuses excuses .
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2010, 05:32:13 AM »
What is strange is why they have all these laws to protect me from me. Are they worried about my well being or are they training me to comply with government orders? I think it is the latter!
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #62 on: September 29, 2010, 05:40:04 AM »
or maybe its so the rest of us on the water won't have to watch you sink because ya don't have a bailing bucket.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #63 on: September 29, 2010, 02:35:38 PM »
It is all about revenue and citizen control.  Why do you have to pay to register to get this so called life saving information?  Hell we pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes on and on it goes. If they are so concerned about saving or lives just pass on the saftey information.  I think that would be the least they do before the Federal Agents retire and we pay them for the rest of their lives.  If you believe that paying to register your boat in for your safety you are beyoned any help to start with.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2010, 04:18:10 PM »
This is not about wheather we register our boats or not.  It is about Federal agents coming onto state property and harrassing people over issues that is none of their business, outside of their jurisdiction.  That is just the excuse they are using, because it is so common, and nobody does it.

Now that the recent incident has made the papers, we are hearing from other people living in rural areas about how they have been harrassed by Park Service Rangers as well.  Then yesterday we got information about another incident that took place earlier this week.  A man that lives up in the Nations River, had an altercation with Park Rangers.  The family are what is known as Inholders.  They had homesteaded the land and built a home before Carter made the area a Federal Preserve.  So all around their property is the preserve, but their property is private.  The family was out in their yard when park Rangers came up the river in a boat.  When the Rangers landed they started asking who he was and what was he doing there.  He informed them that he was on his private property and that they needed to leave.  He said he was not going to talk to them and get into an argument, for them to just turn around and get into their boat and go away.  The Rangers grabbed him, lifted him up, slammed him to the ground.  Then they started roughing him up.  The homesteaders daughter was so scared she ran away and hid.  She thought they were killing her father.  They refused to accept anything the Homesteader or his wife told them, saying you are an "Unkown Person" to us and we are keeping you under control until we find out who you are.  The park Rangers held the man for four and a half hours handcuffed.  Then they released him saying "We are not going to press any charges this time".  

Seems the Park Rangers are harrassing other Inholders in this preserve as well.  The ones on the Kandik River, the Nations, the Charley and the Yukon.  We sent a letter to the Governor yesterday, requesting state intervention on behalf of the inholders, and other residents of Circle, Central, Eagle, Fort Yukon, and others.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2010, 05:45:09 PM »
Tyranny, oppression, and now physical attack/assault by gov't(?) agents?  The correct response is going to be heard one of these days. That response will come from a Patriot.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2010, 10:09:04 PM »
State steps in over federal arrest incident
COURT: Parnell faults rangers' handling of 70-year-old boater.
By CASEY GROVE
casey.grove@adn.com
Published: September 30th, 2010 09:56 PM
Last Modified: September 30th, 2010 09:56 PM
Two weeks after the arrest of a 70-year-old Central man on the Yukon River by National Park Service rangers, Gov. Sean Parnell said Thursday that the state is intervening in court on the man's behalf and also petitioning the U.S. Department of the Interior to prevent similar incidents in the future.

Parnell announced the actions at a press conference Thursday afternoon.

The administration's battles with federal agencies over resource development are nothing new, Parnell said, but by targeting an individual citizen the federal government is taking it to "another level," he said.

"If we allow the federal government to do that without some kind of memorandum or some kind of legal basis, then when does it stop?" Parnell said.


Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/09/30/1480077/state-supports-man-arrested-on.html#ixzz115XisMtc
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2010, 01:37:20 AM »
  I have read through some of the replies and skimmed through the rest. It sure looks like we are in almost full agreement that the government has grown too big and is trying to assume dictatorial control.
   For this, I have just one rhetorical question:

   WHY IN THE WORLD ARE SOME OF YOU GUYS STILL CONDEMNING SARAH PALIN AND THE TEA PARTY ?

 
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2010, 02:35:20 AM »
Quote from: Range Rider on September 29, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
It is all about revenue and citizen control.  Why do you have to pay to register to get this so called life saving information?  Hell we pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes on and on it goes. If they are so concerned about saving or lives just pass on the saftey information.  I think that would be the least they do before the Federal Agents retire and we pay them for the rest of their lives.  If you believe that paying to register your boat in for your safety you are beyoned any help to start with.

Or maybe so there will be someone when 911 is called
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2010, 03:31:53 AM »
Quote from: beerbelly on September 27, 2010, 11:05:15 AM
Boat registration has nothing to do with safety, buying a tag from the state has nothing to do with safety, none of this crap has a damn thin to do with safety. It has to do with revenue! They could care less about your sorry butt, they just want your money. It also helps brainwash you in submitting to the government.
  All this safety sh-- is nothing but a ruse. As many people are killed by seat belts as are saved by them! But it gives the cops one more reason to pull you over and breach your right to privacy!
There is something to that.
Quote from: ironglow on October 01, 2010, 01:37:20 AM
 I have read through some of the replies and skimmed through the rest. It sure looks like we are in almost full agreement that the government has grown too big and is trying to assume dictatorial control.
   For this, I have just one rhetorical question:
   WHY IN THE WORLD ARE SOME OF YOU GUYS STILL CONDEMNING SARAH PALIN AND THE TEA PARTY ?
(shrug) I think she's hot...

Quote from: Pat/Rick on September 26, 2010, 10:00:52 AM
Massad Ayoob also writes many good articles for them.
Massad Ayoob... sounds like what some here like to call a muzzie or a mohamedan. Oops.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2010, 07:38:42 AM »
Ooops?? There ya go baiting again huh? Try doing a "search" on your computer.Then you can post your Ooops someplace else.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2010, 07:47:39 AM »
Sounds like revenuers to me. Anything illegal going on there?
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2010, 07:53:30 AM »
Massad Ayoob may be a Christian Arab.  I think I read somewhere that he went to chruch.  Lebanon is about 40% Christian and Egypt is about 10% Christian. 
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« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2010, 08:01:10 AM »
Dixie Dude wins 10,000 points. As is the norm on "who's line is it anyway", the points mean absolutely nothing.  ;)
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2010, 08:09:37 AM »
Here is an exerpt of the article in todays Fairbanks Daily News Miner about what the Governor and State Attorney General said:

“In Alaska our rivers are our highways,” Parnell said. “If an Alaskan’s right to move up and down a navigable river is impinged by federal authority, which we think they were, we’re going to challenge that.”

“If we allow the federal government to do that without some kind of memorandum or legal basis, where does it stop?” he said. “We believe we’re on strong legal footing here and believe all Alaskans will get behind this effort.”

The state filed a friend-of-the-court brief with a federal magistrate in Fairbanks in the case against Wilde on Thursday, arguing that the park rangers who arrested Wilde “went beyond the scope of their authority,” Parnell said.

“Congress did not intend to allow armed Park Service rangers to interfere with the right of citizens to travel on one of Alaska’s major transportation routes, and included a provision in the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA) to specifically prevent such unwarranted intrusions by federal agents,” the brief read.

The state also is formally filing a petition with Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to amend or rescind federal regulations the Park Service claims give the agency enforcement powers on state-owned, navigable waterways, Parnell said. The regulations “clearly” violate ANILCA, usurp state sovereignty, and infringe the liberty of Alaskans, the governor said

Read more: Fairbanks Daily News-Miner - Alaska petitions to limit park service regulations after incident on Yukon

Here is the link:  http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/9724394/article-Alaska-petitions-to-limit-park-service-regulations-after-incident-on-Yukon?instance=home_news_window_left_top_1
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« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2010, 08:34:44 AM »
We are seeing more and more evidence of Armed Federal Agents harrassing people, mostly inholders through out the state.  We were discussing this at a Wednesday lunchion.  One of the members of the group is a wealthy Alaskan.  He was talking about how his neighbors at the inholding have been harrassed by NPS personnel.  These people are not financially well off, most are living a hand to mouth exhistance.  It's a life they want to live, a simple subsistance existance.  These folks do not have the means to fight back against the Federal Agents, and are often physically abused during the confrontations.  The Federal Agents steer clear of him and his place.  

The Feds recently decided to place limits on the size of watercraft being used on Rivers going through Federal Lands.  This member of our group was putting his boat into the water when Federal Agents came up and informed him he was in violation of Federal Regulations by using that boat.  My friend informed the Federal Agents they had no jurisdiction on the river since that was state property.  If you guys don't like it cite me.  The Federal Agents realized who this person was and backed down.  The Feds called the Alaska State Troopers, and requested that the State Troopers come out and cite this individual.  The Troopers laughed and said "We don't enforce federal laws, do it your self".  The Federal Agents got in their truck and left.  Here was an incident where they knew they were picking on someone who had the means of fighting them in court and winning so they backed off and left.  If it had been anyone else no doubt they would have been roughed up, cuffed, and hauled to jail.  And the boat would have been confiscated.

One of my favorite streams is Beaver Creek.  Now Beaver Creek is shallow and fast.  Being shallow means you have to use a jet pump on your outboard, cutting your horsepower in half.  To move my 16ft John boat up stream I need a minimum of 50hp.  The Feds decided to place a no larger than 15hp limit on the stream.  Putting a stop to all motorboat traffic on the stream.  By stopping motorboats on the stream they have stopped hunting and all other uses, on that stream as well.  Under ANILCA the Feds do not have the authority to do that.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2010, 08:47:48 AM »
I am honestly surprised that some of these Fed KGB types do not end up floating down the river in a burnt boat.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2010, 09:53:30 AM »
scatterbrain:  That is one of the things we said in our letter to the Governor last Wednesday.  We have heard rumblings about that very thing happening.  The bush is loaded with old guys (many are Viet Nam vets) and others that are a bit mentally unstable.  These guys just want to live their lives in peace and be left alone.  They are pretty much one with nature so to speak.  But if pressed they have the capability of doing drastic things quitely and letting it disappear.  We do not want it to get to that point.  We don't need a bunch of Federal Agents disappearing with no trace.  Or bodies drifting down the Yukon.
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Re: National Park Service Rangers, out of control
« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2010, 11:18:45 AM »
The last thing you guys need is your own Mad Trapper . . . http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/NWT/madtrapper.htm 

Such incidents make life harder for everyone else. But it's hard to sit tight when your state gov't won't back you up.
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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2010, 12:21:43 PM »
Remember a movie about that. Wasn't it starring C. Bronson?

The very last thing any nation needs or wants is its gov't forces running rough shod over the populace. If the gov't does not reign in its rogues are they working under a plan of intimidation??  Alot of us here have sworn to defend the Constitution and our nation against ALL aggressors foreign AND domestic. In my estimation, this qualifies. And I certainly would not fault someone for defending themselves their families and their Liberty and Freedom. The feds want their land, they'll get it. Ask the American Indian.  >:(  Was Waco and Ruby Ridge exercises in tyranny? Now being exhibited in AK?
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