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Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« on: August 25, 2010, 09:21:38 AM »
I'd like to know just what in the heck this country is coming to.  This guy is away from his home, neighbors call police in because the house is being burglarized, the cops find the guy's gun collection and proceed to lay it in the guy's front yard, then they confiscate it.  The victim is now the suspect! 

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ROCKFORD — When police responded to an early-morning residential burglary Wednesday, it wasn’t what was missing from the northwest-side home that caught the officers’ attention but what was found.

A large cache of weapons — handguns, rifles and knives — was confiscated by police from the Auburn Street home.

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http://www.rrstar.com/news/x839829140/Report-of-burglary-leads-to-hundreds-of-weapons

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"It still raises the question of what is safe and secure for weapons," Nearby resident, Michael Mitchell said.

Some said they're uneasy with all of the guns found so close to their families and homes.

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http://www.wifr.com/news/headlines/100433779.html
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 03:19:53 AM »
300 guns? Well, sounds to me like the guy was well-equipped!

the cops are just jealous.
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 06:32:47 AM »
Sounds like they are seeing if any are stolen , and will return them.
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 08:07:48 AM »
SHOOTALL, I follow your reasoning, and assume that's the case. 

But - at what number of guns do you have to submit to having your collection piled in your yard, then hauled off the police police lockup pending their approval?

50 guns?

100 guns?

From what I recall of the after math Katrina confiscations, most people got junk back after the police illegally confiscated them. 

My opinion is that unless they had a reason to take the man's property they should have secured the domicile, contacted the owner, and left his home's contents alone.  We don't have mandatory registration in this country yet - let's keep it that way..
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2010, 05:32:00 AM »
I don't agree with it either . Just hoping for the best. It might be other things were at play here .With the latest court rulings some of this might stop.
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2010, 04:32:01 PM »
It's called legal plunder. It is when guvernment (intentionally misspelled) does what you and I cannot legally or morally do. That is deprive someone of his life, liberty or property. :(

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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2010, 05:00:34 AM »
The LEOs had no reason to suspect that ANY of the firearms found in the house were stolen and therefore no reason to confiscate them.  By the reasoning of some of the victim's neighbors, anyone with a well-stocked kitchen drawer may very well be a 'Michael Myers in training'..... ::)

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2010, 05:13:15 AM »
The LEOs had no reason to suspect that ANY of the firearms found in the house were stolen and therefore no reason to confiscate them.  By the reasoning of some of the victim's neighbors, anyone with a well-stocked kitchen drawer may very well be a 'Michael Myers in training'..... ::)

LEO has a speshul vocabulary for gun owners' guns and domicile: it you've got more than a few guns, it's an arsenal. If you have more than a few boxes of ammo, it's a stockpile - and then your home is not longer a home, but a compound.

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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 04:11:17 AM »
I'm a former LEO and I would have NEVER done some of the things I read of today's LEO doing.

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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2010, 04:33:10 AM »
Dog Soldier, it's probably an extension or reflection of politics, starting with a mayor or sheriff I imagine.  LEOs have to do what they're told, so I'm sure they were just doing their job.  I have a Brother in Law who is a county deputy who has 10x more guns than I do, who is as big a fan of firearms as I am.  But I'm sure if his boss told him to confiscate arms under strange circumstances he would do as told.  He has told me he has discussed anti-gun topics with fellow deputies tho, and if a federal mandate to go door to door and confiscate firearms with the intention of disarming American society came down, they would refuse.  He says he doesn't believe in it for one thing (gun confiscation) and also there's too much risk:  'From my cold dead hands' and all that.
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 05:38:31 AM »
He has told me he has discussed anti-gun topics with fellow deputies tho, and if a federal mandate to go door to door and confiscate firearms with the intention of disarming American society came down, they would refuse.  He says he doesn't believe in it for one thing gun confiscation) and also there's too much risk:  'From my cold dead hands' and all that.

One would hope he's serious - your LEO relative - and he prob is, but it'll be much more subtle than 'go get their guns'. More things will be 'felonies', more folks will be prohibited from owning weapons. And as far as LEO goes... the pension (pension? what's THAT?) and job security are a far higher priority that what's wrong or right.

IMHO, anyhows...
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 05:46:34 AM »
Was this in a LIBERAL blue state?  If the guy had the guns in gun safes, it might have been different.  I think anyone who has more than a few should invest in a safe.  Not just for burglary reasons, but so LEO's and nosy neighbors won't have anything to complain about.  Keep a low profile. 

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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 06:30:12 AM »
Was this in a LIBERAL blue state?  If the guy had the guns in gun safes, it might have been different.  I think anyone who has more than a few should invest in a safe.  Not just for burglary reasons, but so LEO's and nosy neighbors won't have anything to complain about.  Keep a low profile. 

Illinois, yes. Not surprising behavior comging from a state that supported Obama.
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2010, 07:01:03 PM »
300 is strange indeed... but if that's so much that some can turn a blind eye to executive overreach, then a precedent is set that allows what people can have/maintain dictated by what the sissies feel is alright, which is few if any.  kind of like letting liberals decide what an "assault weapon" is.  the only issue this nation really ever had with "assault weapons" is the chicago type-writer, which was used to blast cops and feds yes, for passing and enforcing a bs law that got repealed because civilians kept wasting law enforcement.

since then full-auto, short barreled long guns, a few others.. have been almost out-lawed.  now semi-auto is the next target.  on the back-burner is .50bmg, pocket guns, and hunting rifles because they're "sniper-rifles".  then it's double action revolvers, then single action, then derringers, then single shots. 

hey, we'll always have muskets right?!


ps- why do people always cry about the NUMBERS or TYPES of guns that MAY harm people?  whether it's three shots from a 9mm, or one from a .44mag, the target/victim is still dead.  if that guy only had ONE gun he could still go blast someone, so what's the difference?

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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2010, 04:30:38 AM »

Hey, we'll always have muskets right?!


Will we, Squib? 

You ever heard the story that happened last year when His Honor the Mayor of New Yawk tried to confiscate a man's replica flintlock?? 

If not, then read at your own risk if you have high blood pressure, cause this article will definitely raise your ire.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2009/07/29/2009-07-29_replica_rifle_has_brooklyn_man_at_odds_with_cops.html
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2010, 05:58:05 AM »
Now if they give him the guns back his house will get burglarized!

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2010, 01:16:29 PM »
oh... I guess bloomberg wants to be like england and outlaw pellet guns next.  what a shame.

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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2010, 01:45:46 PM »
If the NRA were worth their salt they would descend on this like a hawk on a chicken.  If it were legal in the locality for the guy to own guns, it shouldn't matter if it were 1 or 1000.  Since he can usually only shoot one at a time, 300 is no more dangerous than 1.  Since his neighbors didn't know he had them, obviously he is not a threat.

I hope he retains a good lawyer who is a second amendment guy and sues the city.
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Re: Burglary victim has guns stolen - BY THE COPS!
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2010, 02:13:59 PM »
Guess I'm on the other side of the fence on this one particular incident. Given the circumstances outlined in the article I think they did the right thing. If they couldn't secure the home (or the weapons within the home) properly, and given it looked like like no one was still living there and they could not immediately find the owner, I think it was the safest thing to do as an interim solution.

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The weapons were found scattered throughout the residence. Lindmark described the interior of the home as squalid and the 67-year-old homeowner as a “hoarder.” The home had electricity, but no water.

The homeowner was not present when a neighbor reported a burglary in progress at 1:50 a.m. at the residence in the 1800 block of Auburn.

The homeowner, whose name was not released, was eventually located by police Wednesday evening. No charges have been brought against him.

Lindmark also said it did not appear that the man was actually living at the residence.
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