Author Topic: Bug out vehicle? (Read 5852 times)

RangerRiz · « **Reply #60 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:28:50 PM »

Horse!

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #61 on:** August 26, 2010, 05:34:35 PM »

There is no guarontee that where you are headed will still be the same pristiene remote location when you get there, suppose crazy cousin eddie and his band of buddies and girlfriends are there maybe the neighbor's will put ther Kin on your chosen spot,
Just consider there may already be a ton of people thinking the very same thing you are.
You pop up to grandpappys old farm stead or some disused deer camp and find it looks like a tail gate party at a a Packers game...with scared people with guns.

A automobile stuffed with all sorts of loot/grub would be prime target for all sorts of preditor types.

then you may have people moving in on your terf so have terf wars to contend with.

don heath · « **Reply #62 on:** September 12, 2010, 09:07:27 PM »

I have had a couple of PM's re 'other' trucks in Africa. so thought I would do one post rather than several answers.

1) The only 'small' 4x4's that can compete with the Short wheel base land cruiser or landrover in broken country are the Mitsabushi copy of the willey's jeep. The jap army is selling these off and many are turning up in Africa. They are rugged as hell, get 40 miles per gallon and go places only the landrover 88 or 90's (or a bike) can get. They are rated at 3/4 tonne but the back is about the same size as the 'rhino' side by side ATV...they do 50mph hapily, but not much more. However, our local 'gorrilia snot' that we put in the tires to stop punctures limits the vehicle road speed to 50mph...so who cares. Engine is a 2l diesel that runs on kerosine, transformer oil, home made bio diesel etc...

2) the Older Jeeps are not bad - most have too much engine that chews fuel but like the SWB landrover , Mitsabushi jeeps they don't need a big winch to go cross country

3) the smaller Toyota (hilux) Mitsabushi pajero Suzuki etc don't make the grade. In Government service the Toyota hilux 4x4 pickups had a lifespan of less than a year before the chasis tore in half (at which point they usually rolled over totally wrecking the truck)

woodchuckssuck · « **Reply #63 on:** October 08, 2010, 07:41:00 AM »

My 2007 Subaru Impreza Wagon. Will fit all my guns, clothing, knives, etc. to get me up to my grandpa's...

Once up there, there are enough rednecks around to keep the crazy city folk out. Ill be on the redneck side

Otherwise, I plan on staying home. We have all sorts of canned goods (some home-canned) in the basement, a full freezer full of stuff (use it up as it thaws if power goes out), a wood stove if its cold, a basement that stays cool if its warm. Propane powered lanterns and stoves to cook with, our water comes from a spring down the road that wouldnt be hard to get water from if need be (the town would likely open it up if things got THAT bad...)

If things go to where electronics no longer worked, there is a '51 GMC pickup in the driveway, bicycles all over my house, 2 kayaks (bikes could be rigged to carry them-trailer), and lots of shoes. I do need rain gear....

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #64 on:** October 11, 2010, 07:53:18 AM »

make sure you have extra points &condensors for that 51 also starter and gen. All can be effected . Shield the extra parts.

tacklebury · « **Reply #65 on:** October 11, 2010, 04:42:56 PM »

Actually, ESD (electrostatic discharge), unless very powerful and if the source is very close, will typically only affect semi-conductors based electronics. Modern alternators have a diode in them which would be affected, but generators have an external voltage regulator which should be safe. Condensor's in points are also safe, but it is a good idea to keep a spare set of these parts on hand, because it's much more difficult to find correctly sized versions these days. Any "electronic ignition", be it an aftermarket Mallory or factory would be toast most times. Many junk yards have even been scrapped out of older vehicles, or sold out of repairable ones.

It is possible to shield/reduce ESD damage using a faraday cage concept, up to a point in power. Once you exceed that threshold, it really won't matter if things are shielded or not, it's almost impossible to perfectly shield against it.

In the case of a high altitude thermo-nuclear explosion, there is a magnetic wave that will radiate out and that is also difficult to impossible to shield against. Semiconductors simply will not be usable after such a wave has passed.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #66 on:** October 12, 2010, 06:14:36 AM »

Funny thing is for years it has been stated condensers can be effected . I hunted with a polit that flew a plane set up to preform an ESD as an advance attack . He told us engines with points and condensers would be effected. The safest thing was a diesel that had a manual compression release ( no elec. ignition ) ( yes they have elec. ign now ) and then the starter and gen were at risk but could be protected .

tacklebury · « **Reply #67 on:** October 13, 2010, 03:50:38 PM »

Correct you are! That is because the originating source of the ESD is mounted in the plane.

Basically, ESD will cause tiny lightning bolts between near connections in that application. As far as a truck on earth and a large scale EMP attach via nuclear or ESD attacks, it would have to be within close enough range to cause the sparks to radiate between conductor surfaces. Ever removed a set of points that had big scores in the face of them? That is what would be happening and if the EMP/ESD pulse was large enough and close enough, it could render them unusable unless filed smooth, or really large outputs could cause heat to warp them and ruin them. With a generator, a large nearby ESD pulse could super heat the "bristles" in your brushes and cause them to flash burn. It could disable the generator in that instance, but if brushes were replaced, most likely, it would still work. Proximity is key in determining spark power and duration or pulse cycles.

Justin10mm · « **Reply #68 on:** October 24, 2010, 05:17:13 PM »

I'm with GB, I think the best thing to do is hunker down at home and wait it out in a familiar environment, familiar to you but not traveling outsiders.

But if I had to get out of dodge it would be on one of these.

Note, this is not mine.

don heath · « **Reply #69 on:** October 24, 2010, 08:00:33 PM »

I go with justin on a proper bug out vehicle. two bikes carries me, the wife, two kids , enough fuel to get 2000 miles and enough food and water to last the distance (oh and enables me to carry two rifles, two shotguns and a couple of handguns and their supporting ammo

on other vehicles though....there are many 4x4 'cars' that perform as well on a dirt track as many a full sized pick up....I am thinking specifically of the Isuzu MU and Volvo XC70. There are not 'off road vehicles like my landrover of the more commonly chosen land cruiser, but they last better on bumpy, narrow dirt roads than the full size isuzu 3l 4x4 pick up or Volvo XC90,Toyota Hilux 4X4, Toyota RAV 4 or Ford F250, The li9ttle MU (I have seen it branded as the 'Wizard' in other parts of the world) holds up on some really rough terrain. My Wife had one before the kiddies started making accesss to the rear seats an issue and the bried who swoped us his Nissan twin cab for it takes it places that I am surprised at...there are options out there, but economy and smaller always beats bigger if you have to go far. And pulling a trailer is always a better choice than putting stuff in the back. You can park the trailer, put a tent on top . winch trailer up steep hill seperately to truck etc...

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #70 on:** October 25, 2010, 06:16:30 AM »

never weathered a storn or slep in a bike .

don heath · « **Reply #71 on:** October 25, 2010, 08:34:32 PM »

Nope, but taken the tent off the carrier and slep in it

It all depends on what you want to achive. When the malitia (backed by the army) were comming to the farm I was warned by friends in the police. I moved everything of any real value out of the way but made sure I was 'present' when the first of the malitia arrived...I bugged out on my bike into the desert and circled round to see what was going on. They had a 6x6 armoured car, a soviet APC and several landrovers- they couldn't follow a path wide enough for game/cattle or a man on a bike. I have always used the bike for 'patrols' along the fenses checking water points etc. You can carry alot- and I always do as a break down without kit in the desert may vary from darn uncomfortable to death.

If you have somewhere to go and are just getting away from a hurricane/volcano/mob it is hard to beat a bike as you can take paths closed to all except a man on foot or a mountain bike, and at 110 miles per US Gallon the 5gallon tank and 7g jerry can takes me a loong way..even if the road is clogged by traffic (which is also why I always ride a bike in the capital). If you need the vehicle to be home as well, then yes you need a truck or a car. I sleep on the roof rack of my landrover when on the farm and don't have clients in camp.

myronman3 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:42:54 AM »

the thing that i respect about you don is that you are not just theorizing, you have been in many of the situations and survived. my hat is off to ya.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #73 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:49:42 AM »

Thing is here they use a chopper to follow and they are good at it. In you part of the world a bike seems good and in some cases here it would be but I just don't see it for me. Think I will stick with the truck or New Holland 4wd.

myronman3 · « **Reply #74 on:** October 26, 2010, 02:59:46 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on October 26, 2010, 02:49:42 AM

Thing is here they use a chopper to follow and they are good at it. In you part of the world a bike seems good and in some cases here it would be but I just don't see it for me. Think I will stick with the truck or New Holland 4wd.

if that is your concern, i wonder how much better you are going to be able to hide a truck or new holland 4wd. or are you just being arguementive?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #75 on:** October 26, 2010, 03:27:47 AM »

My point is in the eastern US it would be hard to move anything un-noticed if the govt. wanted to keep tabs. With the ablity to see inside many buildings not to mention sound listing stations etc.
Just pointing out different needs . I agree that if a place was already stocked a bike might be a way to get there. But it would offer less safety and carry fewer people . Say a family with 3-4 small kids ? Old folks etc.
None of us can plan for the other person. BTW what does one do if a tire blows out beyond repait while making a run for it ? At least with a truck you have complete new spares if you want . New Holland would start with stronger tires even foamed if enough warning was given . Can bike tires be foamed ? If so that would reduce comfort and speed but may be a good trade.
Why is it when someone does not agree or ask for supportive imformation is it considered arguementive ?
In the US the idea of going cross country over private land in all but the most dire times can get one in trouble . This ain't Africa

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #76 on:** October 26, 2010, 06:02:05 AM »

They do make airfree bicycle tires. No flats but bicycle afficionados say air is more comfortable. The North Vietnamese used bicycles on the Ho Chi Min trail carrying about 200 lbs of supplies into South Vietnam, then rode them back for more. Bikes with a tow trailer can carry a lot. Some people make tow trailers out of baby carriers. Bikes can be carried on a good 4wd vehicle and if the vehicle has to be abandoned, then bike it. I would suggest with a bike, get 2" airfree tires, a nice wide seat for comfort, and fewer gears. From what I read most people never use over 5 gears. A horse or mule would be ok, but you would probably need one as a pack animal. They do need a lot of grass.

myronman3 · « **Reply #77 on:** October 26, 2010, 07:21:11 AM »

i would say it was more the way you responded to don heath's post. i took it as you saying that your choice of vehicle would be better eluding helicopters. if the day comes when we do need to bug out, you arent going to have to worry about choppers following everyone as there are not enough helicopters.
as far as tires, they can be changed on the road as you go, you just have to have some skills and tools.

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Just pointing out different needs . I agree that if a place was already stocked a bike might be a way to get there. But it would offer less safety and carry fewer people . Say a family with 3-4 small kids...

no problems with that. and btw, i didnt accuse you of anything, i asked you.

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This ain't Africa

statements like that seem like you are being arguementive.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #78 on:** October 26, 2010, 09:20:27 AM »

mymanron3 , not sure why you are trying to twist what I posted around but if you go back and read what i posted you will notice I stated facts as they apply where I live . We are not in Africa where I live , I do not live in a desert ( would have to cross half of the USA to get to one) . I not one time said anything I had would hide better than a bike . For that matter never said anything Don posted was negative. Never have , he offers some good thoughts and experince . I said in another post if I were to travel to Africa I would seek advice from him, so the idea of being argumentive is not the case. I do know what works for me here with regard to construction , farming and hunting/fishing as trucks and moving supplies and material goes. Same with his post on rifles and shotguns. He lives in the land of BIG tooth and nail , I live where a bear is the worst thing or maybe a bull or such. A 30-30 would dispatch anything I would meet.
I would ask Don Heath if I offended him in any way or seemed to be starting and argument .

don heath · « **Reply #79 on:** October 27, 2010, 08:23:17 PM »

For it is a grievous thing:
A true breaking of the heart-
For a highlander to see a fight,
An nay be takin part

Being a Celt, I can always find an excuse for a fight But being a PH I have learned not to take too much offence at anything Americans say…

I got onto this forum because of the Black powder section…I was getting a lot of clients coming to do Black powder lion and elephant hunts- acquired a Ruger old army and a Lyman ML and started trying to learn.

I offer comments here simply to make folk think. I live in a largely dysfunctional country. What did we use before we had candles? Electric lights! How did Zimbabweans get to work before they had bicycles? In cars…etc 100 Trillion % inflation at it peak. It has been interesting to say the least. Of course, what happened hear is unlikely to be exactly the same as anywhere else. Each war, each civil disturbance is unique, but one should learn from others.

To Shootall – escape and evasion from government forces is one thing- escaping from a riot (done that a couple of times taking Photo’s for the London Sunday Times) , or simply getting the hell out of somewhere fast when the roads are blocked (with traffic or burning tires) is only achievable on a bike…and with proper tires working in big thorn country I haven’t had a puncture to 27years…the modern ‘bullet proof’ tires for the trucks are so good I seldom carry a spare these days in the hunting truck- it is just a waste of space.

There are many options – and no one book, school or SF training camp will be applicable to all. I trained to fight in the Zambezi Valley in Northern Zimbabwe- Dense jess with visibility measured in Yards in summer interspersed with open woodland. Thirst killed in winter, heat (120+ ) killed in summer – The ground was hard and often stony and tracking hard going. I hunt (mostly) far to the west on the edge of the desert- everything has thorns and water shortage is the killer. Tracking in soft sand is child’s play (especially as animals’ do not anti-track)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #80 on:** October 28, 2010, 02:38:59 AM »

Great reply Don , I had the misfortune of living thru. the roits in the late 60's early 70's here . It was mostly in the cities . I was in a bus once on the side walk going 45-50 for several blocks because of burning cars blocking the road . Another the C-30 PU truck loaded with pipe down the side "brushed" back and attacker . Another time I pushed a car out of the way that had been placed there to block a street. All three cases police were there and instructed the action.
I'm not a bike rider , did get a 4 wheeler but at about a 2-3 miles per gallon it wouldn't do at all but for one mad dash.

myronman3 · « **Reply #81 on:** October 29, 2010, 07:22:32 PM »

actually shootall, you bring up great points many times. i am more like you, i am not much for a motorcycle in survival situations. still,i can see the merit in certain situations.

and, i am not trying to twist words at all, i just get twitchy when your tone is arguementive.

WD45 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 30, 2010, 05:52:15 AM »

I think I'll bug in instead of out.. and if I would really HAVE to go anywhere I have 4 hoof drive. Now its not without its drawbacks but I have never had to replace its points and condenser either!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #83 on:** November 01, 2010, 06:04:24 AM »

Quote from: myronman3 on October 29, 2010, 07:22:32 PM

actually shootall, you bring up great points many times. i am more like you, i am not much for a motorcycle in survival situations. still,i can see the merit in certain situations.

and, i am not trying to twist words at all, i just get twitchy when your tone is arguementive.

Don't let me make ya nervous , I have no axe to grind . And To be honest it is funny to me that anyone would get worked up over anything on line . I keep thing back to the commerical on TV where this guy is on line posting like he is a gooding girl but only some ugly old guy in his under ware . As long as I think about that I will never get pizzed .