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Offline josie wales

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10 ga loads
« on: March 21, 2011, 06:23:04 AM »
I just purchased a NIB Pedersoli SxS in 10ga. I have read a lot and received a lot of advice as to load data. From wasp nests to spit balls shoved down the barrel for wadding. What I am looking for is data with PEDERSOLI using plastic wads. The information I received from Pedersoli said the inside diameter of the barrels is .766 + or - .002. Looking at wads for 10 ga show they have a O.D. of .790. This seems a bit large. The O.D. of 11 ga wads are .762. This seems a bit small. I want to hunt Turkey this spring so I have been looking at
a plastic wads made for reloading shotgun shells,one from Ballistic Products has an O.D. of .760 a "steel tuff" wad so I could even load steel for geese. Does anybody have any experience with Pedersoli SxS. This front loader also has invector chokes. Any help would be appreciated. This is not my first front loader but first B/P shotgun.

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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 09:46:32 PM »
I have a SxS rifle by Pedersoli, .54x54.  The load data is indeed in the manual you recieved with the gun, and Pedersoli will not give alternate loads or info. (I've tried, finally just tried what seemed reasonable and was considered normal type loads to us in the US)
The booklet shows using no shot cup, no plastic, but rather over powder wad and over-shot wad or card.

An old TC load book also shows only cards and wads.

Cabelas phamplet shows a MEC steel shot cup (brown)with 110 gr of 2F or 88 gr of Pyrodex.

Lymans Black Powder Handbook shows only cards and wads.

Sorry that's all I got. Good Luck

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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 02:24:30 PM »
If you use plastic shot cups with black powder, the cups are liable to melt and cause plastic barrel fouling. This can be cleaned out, but to mostly avoid it you can use a tight card wad over the powder before putting the shot cup down the barrel.

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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2011, 04:32:03 AM »
A number of years ago I found it difficult to buy 16 gauge shot shells so reloaded them using thick shinny paper like magazine cover over the powder then used felt from old boot liner (about 1/2 inch thick) soaked in Crisco, careful not to use to much.  Shot on top of that and crimped the top over as normal.  Worked great only thing was after they sat around for a few years anyone down wind would almost puke cause of the smell of burning felt and rancid lard.  Lots of laughs over that one.  Never had a missfire.  Eventually found an old store with cardboard wads for over the powder which was much better.  I know the cardboard was larger in diameter then the bore as were tuff to get in the hull.  My old Lymann book from mid 70's only goes up to 12 gauge but shows a load of 1 1/2 oz. of shot and 102 gr. of 2F so could start there.  The mention a variety of wads Remington Power Piston, over powder wad, and using fiber wad.  I would not be afraid to use a plastic shot cup so long as it is made for it, I tried some Butler Creek poly wads in my 58 yesterday and recovered them sitting on top of the snow and other than flared out on the end they showed no melting or material loss.  Sure would speed up your loading time and not much mess, but probably not as much fun.  Good luck.

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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 04:46:07 AM »
Over the past 50 years I've pattern tested more than two dozen individual muzzleloading barrels, mostly 12 gauge plus a few 20's. That by no means makes me an expert but from that experience I can say I have never found ANY advantage to plastic shotcup wads. I know it is common for gun writers to claim  20% improved pattern density by just using plastic shotcups. I'd bet dollars to horse apples those gun writers have never fired even one test to confirm that claim. They just heard it somewhere, it sounded reasonable so they repeated it, that's what gun writers do.
 Many years ago V.M.Starr, a noted blackpowder shooter and gunsmith who actually tested his claims, said you cannot get better patterns from a muzzleloading shotgun than that obtained with just two hard card wads over the powder and one thin card over the shot.  My own far less extensive experience confirms that statement. Fiber filler wads, often called cushion wads, are commonly used to carry lubricant to soften fouling and make successive loading easier but they offer no pattern improvement and often will spoil the pattern, producing doughnut patterns open in the center, just what you don't want.
  There is no way around it and no shortcuts, if you want to know what works best in your own individual gun you just HAVE to shoot patterns on paper and count up those itty-bitty holes. I would suggest you start with equal volumes of powder and shot with 11 gauge overpowder cards between. If you look on it as fun it will be, if you look on it as a tedious chore, better stick to modern guns, modern shotshells are terrific.
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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 06:36:32 AM »
What I am looking for is data with PEDERSOLI using plastic wads.

I started out with a Pedersoli 12 gauge SxS.   I have never tired plastic wads in a 10 gauge, so take my experience with a grain of salt. 

I experimented for a while with standard 12 gauge plastic wads with Pyrodex RS as the propellant.  I never had any problems with the plastic wads melting, so long as I used Pyrodex.  However, real black powder would melt the plastic wads.    Ultimately, I gave up on plastic wads for a number of reasons.  First, they did not significantly increase pattern densities.  Changing the choke tubes had a much greater impact on the pattern density.  Second, the plastic wads were difficult to get past the choke constriction if you were using a modified or tighter choke.  Third, I prefer real black powder over Pyrodex because I seem to get better ignition.  Fourth, I like the more traditional wads with my SxS.

Having said all that, if you stick to a pretty standard load, you should get decent results with a standard 10 gauge plastic wad.  Try an ounce and an eighth of shot and an equal volume of Pyrodex and see what happens.

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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 05:17:38 PM »
I also have a Pedersoli 10 ga. SxS.  I use 80 grains of 2f with a half of a wad on top.  Then fill my 80 gr. powder measure with shot topping it off with an over shot card.  Wads and cards are for sale at Buffalo Arms and other fine stores.  I have done well with this load in shotgun competition.  When a clay bird is going away and I catch it with my modified barrel, the bird turns to dust.  My only problem is that my cheek turns black and blue after about twenty shots.

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Re: 10 ga loads
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2011, 04:41:27 AM »
 
       


I finally got out and did some pattern work on my new Pedersoli SxS 10 gauge.Turkey season opens Monday.My Pedersoli has removable chokes and I used X-full in left barrel and modified in right. First let me tell you what did not work IN MY GUN!
Starr's loads with thin OP cards and OS cards would not kill a turkey IMHO unless 10 yards away. Patterns with two Wonder Wads OP & OS were very dissapointing. Let me repeat I am talking turkey not doves or rabbits!
What worked for me:

BP-- 90gr
1 thin OP card
2 Wonder Wads
Precision Wad TUPRW-123 (yes a 12ga wad)
with 1 1/4oz of Nickel Plated #4's
1 OS Wonder Wad

Results: 100% in a 30" circle at 30 yd with X-full choke.
I cut the pressure cup off the base of the wad just to make sure the OP wad does not get wedged inside.

This combo is scary because if just a little off on aim it will be a miss or you will have turkey burger.

For more traditional hunters:
BP--90 grains
OP-- 2 Wonder Wads
1 1/2oz Nickel Plated #4's
OS-- 2 Wonder Wads AND a 1/8" hard card on top of that.

Results: 80%+ in a 30" circle at 30yds with modified choke. I don't know why the hard card worked so well with this combo. It just may of slowed everything down a bit for pattern to develop. I repeated this two more times same results.

I also tried BPTUPRW 105 wads,true 10ga wads.Still trimming the base but also the top so it would hold 1 1/2 oz of shot. These wads fit down the barrel with chokes removed but when loaded with shot they would not. Putting pressure on one would just expand the petals. I suppose I could place one in the barrel,seat it then add shot and wads. This is work in progress.

Note: I used real black GOEX 2f it is all I ever use!