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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 gov
« on: December 01, 2003, 04:20:53 PM »
I recently got a 375 jdj.  I am wondering what to expect in recoil.  I have a 45-70 with a 14 inch barrel and muzzle break.  With factory 300gr loads it isn't that bad but now I just pulled the tendons just below my wrist and I'm in  a little pain.  I'm just wondering if I can expect the same from the 375jdj in a 14 inch barrel with muzzle break.  I will probably be loading hornady 220 fp bullets. If anyone can help me out I'd appriciate it.
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2003, 05:28:14 AM »
The 375JDJ has a good kick to it, although I have read it is not as bad as a 45-70.......I also shoot the 220 gr. Hornady for deer, and the Hornady  270 gr. would be my choice for anything bigger.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2003, 07:07:00 AM »
I shoot both the 220 and 270GR Hornady in a 375JDJ 14" ported barrel and there is significantly less recoil with the lighter bullet.  I can't emagine it to be as nasty as the 45-70.  A max load of 270GR can give a nice punch though. FWIW.

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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2003, 08:31:53 AM »
Max loads in the bigger JDJs like the .375 or .358 which I am more familiar with is wicked. A .45-70 with factory 300s isn't in the same league. Put something like the Buffalo Bore stuff in the .45-70 and it is then.

If you have the SSK Arrestor Muzzle brake on the .375 JDJ you should get just about zero muzzle rise but a LOT of straight back recoil. Before I sent my .358 JDJ back for the brake it rose violently and twisted like it wanted to rip out of my hand. This was 225s at 2300 fps. After it came back there was absolutely ZERO muzzle rise and no twisting. It was all straight back into the web of my hand. For me this was worst as I have a problem with a bone spur or calcium deposit or something at the base of my right thumb. I finally gave up and sold it for this reason.

But if you have a wrist problem already be very cautious using the gun with anywhere need max loads.

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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2003, 12:27:28 PM »
Thank you gentlemen for the info.  Most of my hunting is for whitetails in wooded areas where my shots aren't more than 100 yards.  I'm not planning to load it that hot so hopefully it won't bother me too much.  I really bought it because the power is there if I ever decide to hunt anything bigger.  Anyway, we'll see what happens when I load it up.

Thanks again,

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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2003, 02:00:48 PM »
Haven't weighed my newest 375JDJ yet, but my old one with 270 gr. max loads was developing something like 44 foot pounds of recoil per my ballistic software (SSK 14", Arrestor MB, 1.5-4 30mm tube and steel mounts, Pachy's mounted with a Bullberry bar - can't remember how much the whole rig weighed).   The Pachy Decelerators kept it very manageable, and I easily shoot it one handed (my preferance) or off a bench/rest doing load work.   Have shot 200 max loads in a session with both Speer GS 285's and LRBT 300's and could still sign my name after.   :wink:

As GB, et al have said, the recoil is straight back with the Arrestor (way more effective than the 4-port Mag-Na-Port BTW), with very little torque, if any... but I do manage to get some muzzle rise (my max loads ARE max).   Concussion is not bad for the shooter with good ear protection, but bystanders run for cover (even with EP) and it'll throw flames that light up the pre dawn or dusk sky.   About the most fun you can have if you're into the handcannons.   I have a bunch of them - the 375JDJ's are the easy favorites to me - shoot like a laser.

My newest 375JDJ has the full length T'SOB rib (adds weight), but only the 4-port M-N-P break (guy I bought it from told me it had the SSK AMB - he lied).   Will have to see what it works out to in pounds recoil once I can get it chronied with max loads.  

375JDJ - yer gonna luv it!

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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2003, 02:58:01 PM »
Waiting for my 375 JDJ dies from SSK.  In the meantime, what are everyones favorite loads with Horn 220's?  I have a SSK Contender 14" w/arrestor in SSK Krome and a TSOB. Burris 2x7 posi-lock scope.  Loads?
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2003, 05:57:04 PM »
I use 52 grs. of AA2520 for the 220 gr. Hornadys, I think the max is around 54 grs.............
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2003, 04:43:26 AM »
anyone else try the 200 gr bullets? Mine loves them but sierra told me they may be to fragile for deer hunting.
I also have used cast bullets and even some round balls out of mine
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2003, 11:57:45 AM »
In my .358 JDJ, I found the recoil significant with full loads with AA2520.

Reducing the AA2520 loads a bit resulted in significant shot to shot velocity deviation and larger groups.

Changing to IMR4895 allowed me to reduce the velocity by about 10% but still have consistent velocities.  

If I'm hunting with this gun I'll likely use the AA2520 loads, but I will practice with the IMR4895 loads.
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2003, 05:23:08 PM »
My friend who also shoots the 375jdj also likes the AA2520 at 52 grs with the horn 220s.  However, he is more into velocity whereas I would rather have it extreamly accurate.  Right now i'm still waiting for my scope to arrive.  I also bought the 2-7 burris posi-lock.  From everything I have read it seems to be the best choice.  Once I get that I can start working on loads.  I'm really looking foward to shooting it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2003, 11:48:26 AM »
What cartridgelength do you have with Hornady`s 220 gr.?  Maybe someone also use 225 gr.?  If: What cartridgelength?
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2003, 08:21:24 PM »
As far as cartridge length goes  J.D. Jones recommends that you seat the 220 so that the base of the bullet is flush with the base of the neck.  As far as actual numbers. The Thompson Center book gives an OCL of 2.750. On the 220's thats just about right on the cannular.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2003, 10:42:03 AM »
I have a .375JDJ and I'm shooting the Hornady 220 grn flat points.
I found that 49 grn of IMR 4895 in my barrel is very accurate and shoots 1980 fps. I'm getting 1.5" groups at 100yds with my old 3x9 Burris EER scope. I shot some of the 220 grn flat points into wet phone books and recovered some bullets. They are scary the way they expand. Almost the size of a nickel after going through three phone books and into sand.
This load is not as harsh as my 45-70 w/300 grn bullets on recoil.
Here is my rig.



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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2003, 07:36:31 AM »
I also shoot the 220 gr. Hornady for deer, and the Hornady  270 gr. would be my choice for anything bigger.


How many deers have you shot with this bullet?  Satisfied with the penetration/expanding?
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2003, 10:30:26 AM »
Hawk,

Great looking rig!
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how is the recoil of a 375jdj vs a 45-70 go
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2003, 01:44:53 PM »
:D I have a 375JDJ and a 45-70 in SSK barrels. The 45-70 is a hand-full when shooting max loads out of it. This year I used a max of IMR 3031 with 350gr Hornady round- nose on a big Ohio whitetail. Bullet performance was great! This barrel is a Shillen SS 14" w/SSK brake. It comes back hard, but not up. My 375JDJ is a 12" w/mag-na-port and full lenght vent rib, both have TSOB's and Burris scopes. I shot a couple of deer last year  using Sierra's 200gr and AA2520. Both were at 100  yards and bullet did well! Been shooting 220gr now and didn't get to try out 375 this year(didn't go out of state). I have shot 270 and 300 gr out of 375JDJ and recoil with 300 are about the same as the 45-70. You gotta love SSK "HANDCANNONS"
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