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Offline hiram

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« on: December 06, 2003, 07:34:13 AM »
I have the opportunity to get a hold of 2 nei molds.  45 cal--one is 500 and the other is 685.  Is the 685 too heavy for 45-70, or is it worth a try?  
 
I'm having a Rem rb built in 45-70.  It is on the 1902 action.  If you think the 685 bullet is good, should I stay at 45-70 or move up to 45-90?   The only question is barrel length.  I am 5'4" and have to make a decision from 28-32".  The smith will be using a Douglas premium grade barrel.
 
Many thanks if you have the time to answer my questions or make any comments.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2003, 02:19:57 PM »
Hiram,

Strictly personal opinion, but...

I think the 685 is far too heavy for the .45-70.  I think would be a very specialized bullet and might be touchy to get to shoot well.  I don't see it in a .45-90, either.   If you look at the winning BPCR shooters,  most people are shooting bullets in the 525-545 grain range, and I'd recommend you stay in that range.  1 in 18" twist stabilizes them just fine, people get 1125-1275 fps, depending on caliber and type of black powder, and they shoot into clannish little groups out to 600 yds. and further (actually work just fine out to 1000 yds.).  I like the NEI 349-C design, but I really like Fred Leeth's version much better than the ones I've seen come out of the NEI aluminum moulds.  I also like the Creedmoor design, cut by Leeth, Steve Brooks, or Paul Jones.  If you want to stay with a factory mould, the Saeco 745 or the Lyman 457132 (Postell) or 457125 (Government) bullets work very well in most rifles.

My bias is toward 32" barrels, but the shorter barrels are definitely easier to hold for offhand shooting.  A 30" is a good compromise, with 28" a good second choice.

The 1902 action is excellent for building a rifle.  I have one, extensively modified (octagon top, pistol grip) in .40-70 SS, and it works very well.  I recommend having your gunsmith build a new extractor from scratch, using the full 0/1" available in the action rather than modifying the spring-loading extractor, although that one will work.

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2003, 04:26:23 PM »
Hiram: always glad to see another apprentice starting out on the road to become a Master rfileman, esp. w/ a Rolling Block.

Pay heed to Clarence's sage advice.

I would recomend a 30" barrel--for complete powder burn &  longer sight radius.

The .45-2.1" (AKA .45-70) is probably the most forgiving & easiest cartridge to load w/ BP.

The .45-2.4" (AKA .45-90) is no slouch, but depending upon the total wt of the rfile, a long string can/will get tiring. If you shoot silhouette, the .45-2.4" may be too much rifle, but it really shines passed 600 yds. The .45-2.1" will carry to a 1000 yds, but the .45-2.4" & other more endowered powder capacity cases will do it better.
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