One common fact about Poorest cities in America...... YEP you Guessed it

[Tommyt]

TEN POOREST CITIES


City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit , Mi 32.5%

2. Buffalo , NY 29.9%

3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8%

4. Cleveland , OH 27.0%

5. Miami , FL 26.9%

5. St. Louis , Mo 26.8%

7. El Paso , TX 26.4%

8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2%

9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%

10. Newark , NJ 24.2%


What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest

poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit , MI (1st on the list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.


Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.


Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.


Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.


Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.


St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.


El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.


Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.


Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.


Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats yet they are still POOR!


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.

You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and

should do for themselves."

Abraham Lincoln


And...Mr. Obama, you are no Abe Lincoln!

[magooch]

That was too easy.

[45-70.gov]

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats yet they are still POOR!





And...Mr. Obama, you are no Abe Lincoln!
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and the poor  are  no Einsteins

[powderman]

I'd imagine that the most receiving welfare would probably go right along with that top ten list. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

I'm not sure what Rep or Dem or Prog or tea or anybody else can do to stem Companies in these cities outsourcing Jobs overseas and closing up shops for foreign soils. Bigger than individual cities .. national epidemic.  As private companies they do whats best for their profit margins no matter what elected official is in office.

[Pass Lake]

But remember, according to the Republican talking points, government doesn't create jobs that is done only by the private sector.  This would mean the private businesses in these cities have done a poor job of anticipating market change. 

[dukkillr]

Not a suprise in any way.  Does bring up that whole correlation/causation thing though...

Also, Abraham Lincoln did not say the stuff above attributed to him.  A Minister named William John Henry Boetcker did. 

And I've always suspected that Einstein didn't make that insanity quote, which is also occasionally attributed to Franklin.  I've never seen a historic publication of that, and frankly, it doesn't sound like him.

And without even studying the rest, I seemed to remember a Harvard educated Cuban being elected in Miami as a republican.  Since I'm not old enough to remember that far back, I think it must have been in the last 20 years or so. 

... Wikipedia tells me it Xavier Suarez...

I like the idea... just not the accuracy... 

[gypsyman]

PassLake, your absoulutley correct. Except that there are no tax's collected on crack sales,prostitution, or car jacking. If there was, the Democrats would find a way to tax that also, and it to would move out of the cities. ::)gypsyman

[scootrd]

Poorest states in US  -  
1. Mississippi  -  Hailey Barbour Governor  - Republican , previous Ronnie Musgrove Democrat
Edited  - Oh I forgot new 2010 Census Data  - AZ has now bumped out WV as second Poorest state  -  Jan Brewer Republican
2. West Virginia  - Joe Manchin - Democrat , Previous Bob Wise Democrat
3. Arkansas  -  Mike Beebe  - Democrat , previous Hucabee  - Republican
4. Kentucky - Steven Beshear - Democrat ,  Previous Ernie Fletcher  - Republican
5 Alabama - Bob Riley - Republican , Previous Don Siegelman  -Democrat



Poverty knows no political affiliation.  Industry outsourcing American Jobs , US Chamber of Commerce promoting the outsourcing , Corps seeking tax shelters in other parts of the globe contribute more to poverty than who is a mayor or Governor of a particular state or city,  or what their particular political affiliation may be.  

OP  draws a ridiculous correlation.

[nw_hunter]

TEN POOREST CITIES


City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit , Mi 32.5%

2. Buffalo , NY 29.9%

3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8%

4. Cleveland , OH 27.0%

5. Miami , FL 26.9%

5. St. Louis , Mo 26.8%

7. El Paso , TX 26.4%

8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2%

9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%

10. Newark , NJ 24.2%


What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest

poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit , MI (1st on the list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.


Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.


Cincinnati , OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.


Cleveland , OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.


Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.


St. Louis , MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.


El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.


Milwaukee , WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.


Philadelphia , PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.


Newark , NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats yet they are still POOR!


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.

You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and

should do for themselves."

Abraham Lincoln


And...Mr. Obama, you are no Abe Lincoln!

Actually the fact that jumps out is......They are predominately black.

If you look at the mirror image city's. (The wealthiest), you will find most are predominately white.

Some have Democrat mayors,and some Republican.Seattle Wa. is very liberal and has a Democrat Mayor. They rank #8 in wealth, but the majority population is white. Five of the states on the top ten list are in California. A very Liberal state, but most of the cities on the top ten list have governments that are Predominately white.

Number one on the list is San Jose, Ca
San Fran comes in as number three
San Diego, Five
and Anaheim number six.
Some of the others are Raleigh NC, Seattle , Wa, and Honolulu, Hawaii. I don't think being Republican or Democrat has anything to do with them being wealthy.

I know some will brand me as a racist for bringing up these facts,but that is exactly what they are...facts!
I have long ago quit this Demo vs Rep game. They are the same animal with two heads and that is another fact! If you want to see some true change ........Vote third party on election day, or stay home That might be the best of the two.......Let these monkeys know we are on to them, and Ain't gonna take it no more.

Another fact...........That ain't gonna happen! The old lesser of two evils will once again rear it's ugly head, and sway the sheeple!

[scootrd]

Top 5 wealthiest states

1    New Hampshire - John Lynch  - Democrat
2    New Jersey  - Chris Christie  - Republican
3    Connecticut  - Jodi Rell Republican
4    Maryland  - Martin O'Malley Democrat
5    Alaska    Sean Parnell - Republican

Again , no bearing

[subdjoe]

But remember, according to the Republican talking points, government doesn't create jobs that is done only by the private sector.  This would mean the private businesses in these cities have done a poor job of anticipating market change. 

False assumption and false correlation.  You are saying that since the government doesn't create job, it can't do anything to eliminate them either.
But government can, and does, create an environment hostile to business, thereby driving out businesses and jobs.  We have been seeing that here in CA for decades.

[Graybeard]

Alabama - Bob Riley - Republican , Previous Don Siegelman  -Democrat

Siegelman is in prison on federal charges of accepting bribes and corruption. I predict Riley will eventually join him. I can see no way that he isn't in the pocket of the MS casinos and I figure eventually someone will find the truth.

[subdjoe]

Poorest states in US  -  
1. Mississippi  -  Hailey Barbour Governor  - Republican , previous Ronnie Musgrove Democrat
Edited  - Oh I forgot new 2010 Census Data  - AZ has now bumped out WV as second Poorest state  -  Jan Brewer Republican
2. West Virginia  - Joe Manchin - Democrat , Previous Bob Wise Democrat
3. Arkansas  -  Mike Beebe  - Democrat , previous Hucabee  - Republican
4. Kentucky - Steven Beshear - Democrat ,  Previous Ernie Fletcher  - Republican
5 Alabama - Bob Riley - Republican , Previous Don Siegelman  -Democrat



Poverty knows no political affiliation.  Industry outsourcing American Jobs , US Chamber of Commerce promoting the outsourcing , Corps seeking tax shelters in other parts of the globe contribute more to poverty than who is a mayor or Governor of a particular state or city,  or what their particular political affiliation may be.  

OP  draws a ridiculous correlation.

And what do three of those have in common?  Yep...they all had their industry destroyed and their wealth stolen during the Civil War and Reconstruction.  I'm not talking about slaves being freed here.  During the ACW the Federal govt. had a policy of destroying all means of production...mills of all types were burned, rail and telegraph ripped out, what few iron works existed were razed, livestock stolen or killed out of hand.  Not to mention the manpower that was killed off.

During the ACW there were about 1.25 million "excess" civilian deaths, that is above and beyond the military deaths from action or disease.  Most of the fighting was in the South, so figure close to a million of those were in the South (and, given the genocidal nature of the Federal campaigns, that isn't an unlikely figure).  Toss in the punitive reparations and punitive laws that were inflicted on the southern states, and you have a good recipe for long term poverty.    There was nothing like a Marshall Plan to rebuild the South, the North was out to crush it.  

[Hooker]

But remember, according to the Republican talking points, government doesn't create jobs that is done only by the private sector.  This would mean the private businesses in these cities have done a poor job of anticipating market change. 

You failed to finish the talking point.
Government does not create jobs but it can kill existing jobs and stop the creation of new ones.
The Liberal mind set causes poverty. Liberals wait for prosperity to be handed to them ,and think that the government should make that happen. This is the common denominator of places with high poverty levels and is promoted by Liberals in power.

Pat   

[yellowtail3]

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats yet they are still POOR!

Well... what does this mean? Does it mean that if poor folks voted for Republicans, they wouldn't be poor any more?

what will you do about all those poor people, TommyT? And those black people... can you believe them?

[no guns here]

And what do three of those have in common?  Yep...they all had their industry destroyed and their wealth stolen during the Civil War and Reconstruction.  I'm not talking about slaves being freed here.  During the ACW the Federal govt. had a policy of destroying all means of production...mills of all types were burned, rail and telegraph ripped out, what few iron works existed were razed, livestock stolen or killed out of hand.  Not to mention the manpower that was killed off.

I don't see that as a germain point.  How many business's of ANY kind, any where, are still around and producing now that were producing during the ACW?  Very, very few.  In the past 145 years, almost the entire industrial structure of the USA has been built and changed several times.  Your point was definitely a factor up to WWI, less so up to WWII and progressively less during the ensuing 65 years.

According to 1860 census results listed on civil-war.net, Alabama had a total population of just under 1 million.  Today the population is listed as around 4.7 million.  Nearly quintupling the population shouldn't account for poverty today when many places had little if ANY population at the time and are highly productive today.  In fact our national population is 10 times now what it was then.  You can't blame poor areas now, on deaths then.

I lived in Alabama for a while back.  Parts are nice, productive, and have a good standard of living.  Some parts are crap, unproductive, poor, uneducated and have a low standard of living.  I'd like to lay it on something as easy as race, but that's not entirely it.  The lack of quality education for the people in those areas for about the last 120 years is the problem.  Where the white man went, the education system was good.  Where the black man went, the education system was not allowed to be as good.  Education suffered therefore jobs and productivity suffered.  Without regard to abuses of industry during and after the Civil War, if the educational system had been allowed to fulfill it's promise in the South then the opportunity for jobs, productivity, money and a higher standard of living would be greater in those areas today.  Unfortunately, racism flourished and institutionally (whether intended or not) the effect of many laws and programs combined to destroy or limit any ability for those areas to increase their standard of living at the same rate experienced in other parts of the US.  Much the same can be seen on native American reservations and some other areas such as Appalachia.

Yes, some of the worst areas in this regard are "black".  They aren't bad because the people are "black", they are bad because the people weren't allowed to progress.  After a few generations of that, it will take a while to change the cultural mindset to expect more.  In the meantime, those areas will continue to regress compared to the national average.  It would take a concerted effort to change the educational system and the economic base of those areas.  The problem is, the government gives away money instead of funding education.  The government gives away money instead of finding ways to create jobs there.  It's easier to buy votes short term than to make hard decisions that will make an impact in the long term.


NGH