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Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« on: August 25, 2010, 08:42:36 AM »
Looking for Griz, and Wolves.  I am NOT going to shoot a Caribou, and I am NOT shooting a Moose, unless it is over 60".  But I am going to be looking hard to fill my tags for two Grizzlies, three Black Bears, and five Wolves.  I know my partner will shoot a Caribou, and possiably a Moose when we get there.  I will be sitting on those gut piles from that point on.  Worked up a real good load using 165gr Nosler partitions, in front of RL-22.  They really reach out and touch things, more recoil too than the other loads.  Will be carrying a couple of Nosler 220gr Partitions in my pocket, just in case things get up close and personel.

Wish some of you guys could go with me.  We will be up above treeline.  Beautiful alpine meadows, nothing taller than knee high.  You can see and be seen for miles.  Temps should be around freezing at night, up around fifty during the day.  Possiability of snow while up there as always.
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 08:48:39 AM »
Good luck. I have an aunt that lives in Alaska and I keep telling myself I'm going to visit and try to do some kind of hunting while I'm there.

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 08:49:33 AM »
Me too as I've never been much past Delta Junction. Guess I'll just have to make do with my little island. Best of luck to you and stay safe

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 08:59:54 AM »
     I'm getting old. Can't see very good. Don't hear much good anymore. But after reading the post by Sourdough, I still have not lost my jealously.     Good luck and good shooting to you.
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 09:03:31 AM »
had plannedto go up to Alaska in May but found a really great driving job in my backyard.  Would love do a walkabout with my 45/70 1895SS.Been Flagstaff since Sunday,they have Ravens here, they sure get friendly when you got food. Post some pics when you get back   Todd   (PS I bicycled from Prudhoe Bay to Brownsville)

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 03:49:45 PM »
Sourdough,

Enjoy your hunt and may all those tags come home attached to critters! ;D

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 04:48:52 PM »
Good luck hunting! I hope you fill your tags. I'm trying to convince the Army they need me in AK, I will be "needs of the Army" soon and have no say in where I go. Let's hope they see the light and send me.;D  BTW, I'm really hoping for Ft. Rich  ;)

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 07:06:28 PM »
Dinny:  Don't know if you heard or not.  Ft Richardson was hit by the Brack and is now undergoing Co-basing.  The Air Force is taking over the post, and the Army is going to be a Tenant.  The guys at Ft Rich are in denial, but it has already started.  So manning at Rich is going to drop drastically.  All the slots are moving to Ft WW in Fairbanks. 

Yes, it's colder in Fairbanks during the winter, but Anchorage does not have summers.  Last week it was 91 degrees here in Fairbanks,  Anchorage never sees that kind of temps. 
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 07:14:02 PM »
Dinny:  Don't know if you heard or not.  Ft Richardson was hit by the Brack and is now undergoing Co-basing.  The Air Force is taking over the post, and the Army is going to be a Tenant.  The guys at Ft Rich are in denial, but it has already started.  So manning at Rich is going to drop drastically.  All the slots are moving to Ft WW in Fairbanks.  
Yes, it's colder in Fairbanks during the winter, but Anchorage does not have summers.  Last week it was 91 degrees here in Fairbanks,  Anchorage never sees that kind of temps.  

Yeah, I know about BRAC. Lottsa unhappy folks, but they just don't know what that's gonna bring them. I'm stationed at an AF base and would love to "Come over to the Blue" but.......green blood flows through my veins. ;D In the end, Ft Rich will be better for what's happening. I would love to work in a jointly-staffed hospital. ;)  ;D

I won't mind the weather as long as I'm in AK...... :)

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2010, 04:29:08 AM »
Did not realize you were a Medic.  Yea big hospital at Elmendorf that is co-manned.  As a medic it would be a good assignment.  They handle a lot of Veterans there as well.  Also new Hospital on Ft WW. 

Went to a dinner Tuesday night with a group up here from Rich and Hawaii.  The folks from Rich are having problems with the AF taking over the buildings and forcing them to move.  Also a lot of their Army Civilian employees are opting to move to the AF and moving into Elmendorf offices.  Like I said the Rich folks are still in denial.
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2010, 06:01:47 AM »
Dinny, when I was in processing at Rich I thought I wanted to stay there. But, after getting to Ft. Wainwright and adjusting I really enjoyed it. Wish I could go back. I get home sick every time I read Sourdough's posts because I know all the places he talks about and have been to a few of them. Interior Alaska is something you just can't get out of your blood.
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 07:55:51 AM »
That time of yr again and I know you will not disappoint us with your tales . I so look forward to your headin out and reading your reports. Good luck stay safe. Kurt
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2010, 05:19:32 AM »
Wow Sourdough, I am envious of you.   I guess your Heart Cath went ok.    I will be in SE AK from the 8-18 of September (a little business, a little vacation)  but wont be able to get to the Interior.    One of these days I certainly hope to.   In the mean time I will continue to live vicariously through your stories......Thanks for all the good reads. 

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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2010, 10:25:11 AM »
I'm back, trip was a total bust.  The Taylor Highway is a gravel road that runs from near Tok, Alaska, north to Eagle, Alaska.  About two thirds of the way up it forks and ties in to the "Top Of The World Highway"  going over to Dawsaon City, Yukon Territory Canada.  Most people hunting that area heads to Chicken Alaska and the areas north.  The bulk of the hunters park at Chicken and go out Chicken Ridge by ATV.  Many more stop in the Jack Wade area, but the rest go to the higher ground past Jack Wade.  That area is above treeline and good for Caribou.  It's like half the people in Alaska go there every year.

This year we have had so much rain the road washed out at Jack Wade.  Also in areas both South and North of Jack Wade.  So the road is closed at Chicken, no one allowed farther North.  Road will not be repaired this year.  

My partner and I have been hunting this one small area South of Chicken for over 30 years.  We are cautious never to let anyone see us leaving the highway, and we stop and go back and remove all sign of us turning off.  We brush out tracks and push brush back upright so it does not look like it had been run over.  We only take our kids and very close friends in there, with the understanding they only go there with us.  Everyone has agreed with that concept, and we have never had a problem.  Last year I took a GI from Ft Wainwright, he and his 11 year old got their first Caribou, many of you seen the pictures I brought back of that hunt.  We park the truck about a mile in due to the trail getting too rough.  Then we go back on in about twelve miles by 4-wheeler.  Once there we are overlooking Mousquito Flats from near the top of a mountain.  We are in an alpine area, above treeline.  We camp in a saddle where the migration comes through heading for Chicken Ridge.  We usually shoot our Caribou right from Camp, and we never see anyone else while there.  Five years ago we took a Troop that works with my partner at Eielson AFB.  The same deal applied, he was not to go there unless he went with us.  In the five years since he has never said anything about going back there, he has been going to Chicken Ridge with a bunch of Air Force buddies.  This year that all changed.

This young GI went down there with a bunch of his buddies from his shop.  The parking lot at Chicken was totally full and the residents were turning people away, there was no where left to park without blocking the Post Office, or other buildings.  So they turned back south.  As they were heading south Dan recognized the spot where we turn off the highway.  With no regard as to who saw them turn there, or without trying to hide their trail, he led three Pickups towing large trailers, through the brush and onto the trail.  No attempt was made to hide the exit point.  As they were unloading their ATVs, other people started arriving, having followed their tracks.  

When we got there the trail had all the brush hiding it gone.  There was ruts where some people had gone in who did not know or did not care about trail integrity.  There was so many trucks parked back in there, there was no where left to park, and many trucks were blocked in by other vehicles.  We went back down the road and parked in a DOT pull off, and unloaded our ATVs.  As we went back up the ATV trail, all the grass that is usually growing in the trail was gone.  Small trees and brush that usually encroach on the trail had been cut back, or ran over, so wider UTVs and Jeeps could get through.  When we got to our camping site Dan and his crew was camping there with five big wall tents.  There were tents everywhere.  We counted over thirty camps, in that saddle and the surrounding area.  None had attempted to hide their camps, or to conceal their presence.  People were camped out right in the middle of meadows, where their tents could be seen miles away.  No Caribou is going to go close to that.

My partner went down into Dan’s camp and confronted him and the shop NCOIC (who works with my partner) about showing half the world this quite place.  They just stood there and looked at their boots and did not say anything.  We just turned and headed back home.    
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2010, 10:40:47 AM »
I'm sorry my friend.  I was looking forward to reading about your adventure.
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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2010, 10:45:11 AM »
Wow!  It's hard for me to imagine that happening in Alaska!  I have always thought of it as remote, sparsely settled, so much open land to hunt you'ld never see another hunter, that sort of thing.  This sounds like opening day at one of the small Wildlife Management Areas just outside Atlanta!   :(
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2010, 03:10:10 PM »
I'm really bummed for you.  No good deed goes unpunished.


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Re: Taking the 30-06 Handi to the 40 mile
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 03:20:10 PM »
Sourdough,

Maybe one of them big Brownies you was goin' to tag will get after the fellar that gave away your huntin' spot.  ;D

Sorry to hear your hunt was spoiled, some people have no consideration for the kindness shown to them by others.

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 05:40:13 PM »
I'm embarrassed and saddened by that story. :-[  It's a few guys like him that give the rest of us a bad rep. In my younger days, I would have had more than a few words with him. ;) Nowadays, I would have just taken the air needles out of the vehicle's tires closest to the road blocking all the rest in. ;D  :D

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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2010, 03:40:44 AM »
Time to buy some private land. Sorry to hear it.

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 09:19:31 AM »
Wreckhog:  Less than 2% of Alaska is in private hands.  The rest is owned 74% by the Federal Government, 24% by the state.  Neither is selling.  All the good places are in Federal hands and they are wanting to make it all Park or Preserve.  The area where we hunt is State Land, but the Mosquito Flats we over look is all Federal.

All the roads in Alaska are south of the Yukon River, with the exception of the Haul Rd (Dalton Hwy, the one you see on Ice Road Trudkers).  Hunting along the Haul Rd is restricted to archery only.  The rest of Alaska (Over 75%) is availiable by Airplane or Boat only.  Even in the areas of the highways, the land between is vertually inaccessiable without a plane or boat.  When I say boat I don't mean the little runabouts you guys think of.  I'm talking Jet Boats, no props in use here.  Boats that will run in six to ten inches of water.  Cross gravel bars with just three inches of water.  Sometimes there just is no water and we scoot across them anyway.  Yea we suck up gravel, that's what stainless steel impellers are for.

The massive heards of Caribou south of the Yukon must cross the Taylor Highway to get to Canada where they winter.  So you have a large concentration of people hunting along one highway.
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 02:01:31 PM »
Oh Man!...I feel your pain! That sense of betrayal and the loss of a place you hold dear is rough. I hope you get blessed with a 'replacement', though I know you will never forget 'the way it was'.
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 04:25:21 PM »
Agreed with the other posters Sourdough, I can only dream of Alaska from your post & what I read in magazines.  A real heart breaker.  I really enjoy your post & it really makes me want to consider trying to make an outing there even if it wasn't to hunt.  I only live to get out here from October thru January, without that time I don't know what I would do, so I can only imagine what I would do to show up to my Spot & see it in ruins. :(
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2010, 04:33:04 PM »
Sorry my friend.  In a smaller way I understand.  So many of the farms I was free to hunt as a boy are now subdivisions or mini malls.  It's disappointing though, as Alaska was always the "last frontier" that most of us planned to visit one day..........the poor man's African safari if you will......
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2010, 05:25:10 PM »
Thats why guides are so picky about hireing new folks,next thing you know they think they are related and hitting all your spots

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« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2010, 02:57:49 PM »
 >:(   BOO   >:( BOO >:( BOO  >:( BOO !!!!!!!!!!!!! Kurt
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2010, 03:16:18 AM »
Couldn't resist posting, as I went in that area in 2003.  A retired State Trooper, a PhD from Michigan (both dear friends), and I flew out of Tok 30 miles due north, where the Super Cub dropped us off on top of a butte.  At night, if it was cold and clear, we could see headlights, and the town lights of Chicken WAY off to the northeast. 
Dave, the Trooper, a resident, had a bear tag, Mike and I were after moose.  Dave took his .375 H&H Model 70, Mike, a Model 700 .35 Whelen, and I had a controlled feed stainless Model 70 .300 Winchester loaded with 220 Noslers.  Dave had a pocket-full of 220 Hornady's for 'varmints', I had some 150's for the 'light stuff', and Mike stuck with 250 Noslers for the Whelen.
We got snowed on, wind blew like hell in front of and behind the low pressure that brought the snow. 
We each had our own tents, with two of them big enough to house us all, if need be.  Set up the cook shack about 50 yards away from us, where we cooked, cleaned, and ate.  Stored the grub in a ground stash about a hundred yards away where we could see all the way around it, and checked it before we went to it for 'visitors'.
We hunted around the top of the butte for about three days without much luck.  The third morning, I found a small tree, and a stick that approximated the thickness of an antler, and proceeded to rake it up and down the branches, making sure to break a few off here and there, and thump the trunk now and again.  I'd stop about about 30 seconds or so, and give a beller.  About the third session of this, I heard what sounded like a locomotive coming up through the brush and timber just below me.  I turned around and realized that my rifle was leaning against a tree about 30 feet uphill behind me!  After a minute or two, I managed to get to the rifle, then slid back down and sat behind the 'callin' tree', and sat there and 'talked' to him back and forth for about an hour, listening to him busting up timber and brush, apparently in an attempt to run me off without a confrontation.  In any event, I couldn't coax him out for a shot, and my belly started grumbling loud enough to overshadow the conversation we were having, and he went away.
Next morning, I flew out, and headed back to Anchorage, where my son and his family were stationed at Ft. Rich, picked the wife up from the airport, and my granddaughter was born in the Elmendorf/Ft Rich hospital the next day.
Three days later, I got a call from Dave and Mike from Dave's home in Fairbanks, and Mike had finally managed to draw the bull out into the open and put him down with the Whelen.  Went 54 inches, with four brow tines, legal for a non-resident.
The oldest son is now living up there again, the DIL transferred up to the Post Office and is now manning a "one man" post office up above Wasilla.
The wife and I are headed up again next year, the wife flying up in September, but I hope/intend to drive up in the spring and fish my way up till caribou and moose open again.  I think, for some bizarre reason, that I need to try that 'Combat Fishing'.  Hope it works out, but there's some health issues I've gotta get past before I go.
Too bad your hunt didn't work out, it's something we deal with every year here in Idaho.  One or two outfits will go in and get a toe-hold on a camp spot, and in the next day or two, it loads up with extended family, friends, and all their kids and four wheelers.  Without hiking or taking a horse WAY back in, hunting territory that's fairly accessible is shrinking all the time, and land owners are either fed up with the damage, or have found out that some folks will pay a hundred bucks per gun, per day for trespass, and have closed off access to their land.  Depending on who is occupying the White House, roads in national forest may be open, or not, and these days, mostly not, but it don't matter much, there's four wheeler tracks around the gates and barricades anyway, and you can listen to 'em pounding around the hills all day, and most of the night..........
I can't seem to manage to draw a resident Idaho moose tag here, and probably won't before they close the lid on me, and Alaska non-res. moose tags are available over the counter, so it ends up being a no-brainer.  Biggest misconception about AK is that for us 'flatlanders', there's an impression that AK has animals behind every tree, when in fact, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana have WAY more animals per square mile. 
Hope it all works out better for you next year!  I think I'll send 40 Mile Air a deposit in December, and start planning for next year's hunt!
I told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. "Make your life go here, son. Here's where the people is. Them mountains is for Indians and wild men." "Mother Gue", I says "the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world," and by God, I was right. Keep your nose in the wind and your eye along the skyline