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« on: November 08, 2010, 11:45:24 AM »
Winchester's Centerfire Operations to Relocate to Oxford, Mississippi
Company Makes Decision Following Union Members' Rejection of Proposal That Would Have Kept Operations in East Alton

Press Release Source: Olin Corporation On Wednesday November 3, 2010, 3:10 pm EDT

EAST ALTON, IL--(Marketwire - 11/03/10) - Olin Corporation (NYSE:OLN - News) announced today that its Winchester Centerfire Operations and approximately 1,000 jobs will be relocated to Oxford, Mississippi. The company's decision follows two failed ratification votes by members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, in which employees twice rejected a union proposal that would have allowed Centerfire Operations to remain in East Alton. The company informed the unions in August that it was considering relocating operations to Oxford to enhance the competitiveness of its operations. The company engaged in discussions with union leaders over the past two months.

"Our focus always has been on ensuring that we continue producing high-quality products for our customers in an increasingly competitive marketplace," said Joseph D. Rupp, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Olin Corporation. "While I am disappointed that employees represented by the International Association of Machinists (IAM) chose to reject a proposal that would have allowed us to remain competitive in East Alton, we look forward to expanding our existing operations in Mississippi.

"Governor Haley Barbour and the State of Mississippi have stepped forward with significant incentives that will allow Winchester to build a state-of-the-art facility in Oxford near our existing facility. This 500,000 square foot facility will house all of the Centerfire Operations in one building, providing Winchester with significant efficiencies. Combined with lower labor costs, those efficiencies will allow us to deliver quality products and compete effectively in this highly competitive industry," Rupp continued.

"I do want to acknowledge the tremendous efforts made by union leadership and Illinois elected officials, including Governor Pat Quinn, Congressman Jerry Costello and Senator Dick Durbin to present Olin with a business investment package in Illinois that was extremely attractive," Rupp said. "Unfortunately, without the labor costs savings and efficiencies that the IAM proposal would have provided, the state incentives alone would not have allowed us to remain competitive for the long-term at our current location in Illinois."

The relocation is expected to take place over several years as Winchester ensures a smooth transition and continued, consistent and uninterrupted supply for its customers.

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Olin Corporation is a manufacturer concentrated in two business segments: Chlor Alkali Products and Winchester. Chlor Alkali Products manufactures chlorine and caustic soda, sodium hydrosulfite, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen, potassium hydroxide and bleach products. Winchester products include sporting ammunition, reloading components, small caliber military ammunition and components, and industrial cartridges.

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Re: A union has screwed their members once again.
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 12:03:50 PM »
The company's decision follows two failed ratification votes by members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, in which employees twice rejected a union proposal that would have allowed Centerfire Operations to remain in East Alton.

What did the union do to screw the members?
Sounds like the members had an opportunity to accept two proposals that would have salvaged their jobs.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 03:06:14 PM »
the reloading equipment will be produced outside of anti-gun illinois...... I think that means that people willing to relocate to keep their jobs will be able to enjoy their discount ammo/gun priviledges more after work now too.  who got screwed?

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 03:08:42 PM »
chock  one  up for the south

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 03:20:53 PM »
Mighty foolish to try playing hardball in this economy. A lot of companies are reducing benefits, etc to stay in business with the employees cooperation. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 05:39:06 PM »
I noticed the "lower labor cost" remark. So will this new place not be unionized?
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 06:09:36 PM »
The way it should be. States competing with each other for jobs. Good for Mississippi.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 02:03:03 AM »
Perhaps that Union will end up where it belongs. In the crapper. And yes, Illinois IS none gun, so their hypocracy that knew no bounds, now rests in Mississippi. ;)
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2010, 02:09:10 AM »
 true dee..this country is not the great industrial giant it was..change is constant..

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2010, 03:05:33 AM »
Union leaders usually tell rank and file to vote a certain way.  I was taken to a few union meetings by my father when i was a kid, and he was IBEW.    If the union leaders said to vote against proposal, then, yes, the union screwed its members.

Otherwise, the union membership screwed itself. 

Either way, the result is the same.   +1 for Mississippi and the South.

And I'm glad to be in Dixie, hooray, hooray..........
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2010, 03:24:03 AM »
Amen to getting out of anti-gun IL. 

Now I wish every firearms related business would move out of CA and not let the door hit'em where the good Lord split'em.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2010, 03:26:16 AM »
only semi-related... I thought Winchester was out of business, after having dropped the Model 94. Hmmm...
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2010, 03:47:05 AM »
only semi-related... I thought Winchester was out of business, after having dropped the Model 94. Hmmm...

Like many manufacturers, Winchester made certain specific products at certain plants.  They closed the plant that made Model 94's and have never opened production anywhere else.  The company has also been sold back and forth a few times, but it most certainly IS still making rifles.  I think they're trying to focus on the Model 70 though.

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2010, 03:55:05 AM »
might  be they can bring  back the model  94

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thank  you  mississippi...for  not being  so stupid  as  the  unionized states

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 04:18:19 AM »
Why do firearms companies stay in the Anti-Gun states.  Why do firearms companies support the Anti-Gun Labor Unions?  Why are Brownings made in Japan?  Japan spends millions every year at disarming citizens the world over.  This is a great move.  I think Miss. is a pro-gun eastern state.

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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 04:19:17 AM »
Scatterbrain, most northern states have "closed shop" laws.  If 51% of the workers want a union, everyone working there has to join the union or quit.  It the south, most have "open shop" or "right-to-work" laws.  If a shop want's a union, and if you don't want to join, you don't have to, and you can still keep your job.  Now, most factories in the south are not union, and don't want the union.  We had 2 cotton mills in the town I grew up in, one went union, the other didn't.  The union plant closed back in the 80's.  The other one just closed a couple of years ago.  Even with non-union labor, the it was still cheaper to move overseas for the other plant.  Sewing requires a lot of human labor.  They haven't developed robots that can sew cut cloth pieces together like humans.  So, they moved where lots of labor is cheaper.  Most cotton mills in the south have been replaced with auto manufacturing and auto parts manufacturing suppliers.  However, that production is highly automated, and thus requires less workers.  I've seen the non-union plants in bad times go to 3 day work weeks, and in good times go 7 days a week.  Being non-union they are more flexible and can keep the workers.  We had one union tire manufacturing plant recently close.  We had another one, Diversified Products which made exercise equipment.  They unionised, so a couple of years later, closed the factory and move overseas. 

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 05:04:55 AM »
Why do firearms companies stay in the Anti-Gun states.  Why do firearms companies support the Anti-Gun Labor Unions?  Why are Brownings made in Japan?  Japan spends millions every year at disarming citizens the world over.  This is a great move.  I think Miss. is a pro-gun eastern state.

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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 05:13:31 AM »
I noticed the "lower labor cost" remark. So will this new place not be unionized?

Yep , same thing Para did , go to a more gun friendly place .
And Cabin4 maybe the CNC machine has cut the needed skill ?
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 05:28:08 AM »
I noticed the "lower labor cost" remark. So will this new place not be unionized?

Yep , same thing Para did , go to a more gun friendly place .
And Cabin4 maybe the CNC machine has cut the needed skill ?

I believe it is a number of items including advancements in the physical logistics and other supply chain advancements that have lowered the cost. The workman skill set has not such much gone away or been reduced. Computerization has simply changed the manufacturing skill set on the production floor. CNC is part of it. The repeatability and consistency you will find in updated manufacturing equipment is also key.
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2010, 06:47:15 AM »
only semi-related... I thought Winchester was out of business, after having dropped the Model 94. Hmmm...

Different company entirely. Olin owns the Winchester name but long ago sold use of it to US Repeating Arms who made the firearms while Winchester a division of Olin made ammo and reloading components. That is the Winchester we're talking about here not the gun making folks.


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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2010, 06:49:41 AM »
Why do firearms companies stay in the Anti-Gun states.  Why do firearms companies support the Anti-Gun Labor Unions?  Why are Brownings made in Japan?  Japan spends millions every year at disarming citizens the world over.  This is a great move.  I think Miss. is a pro-gun eastern state.

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Uh well no cowboy they aren't really an eastern state they are a SOUTHERN state.


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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2010, 07:37:37 AM »
Well I looked again at that old U.S. map. Nothing has changed it is still east of the "Big Muddy".  Sure looks like an Eastern state from where I stand.  Never  the less I don't think its an Anti-Gun eastern state.  I sure hope not. :)
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2010, 09:13:12 AM »
GB, range finder is not always right, but he's never wrong. That's why I never read his posts. He's so boringly right every time. EVEN IN GEOGRAPHY! ;) ::)
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2010, 12:26:10 PM »
The Big Muddy is the Missouri River---It runs basically NW to SE.
Miss. is a right to work state, and, as such, allows Unions but you don't have to belong.
Brown & Root is a non-union construction firm---they have no employees, only contract workers----locally, these workers are not paid as well as union company's employee's.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2010, 12:45:18 PM »
I am equally glad that you have received your geography lesson in good spirit William. After all. Whom could possibly know more about the South, than someone from Wyoming? Us "East"  ::) Texicans have always wondered why the statures on our Court House lawns are of Jefferson Davis instead of that low life Lincoln. It's because we're in "EAST" Texas. :o ::)
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« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2010, 04:56:26 PM »
The "Big Muddy" is the Missouri River. There also is a river in Illinois called "Big Muddy River". It dumps into the Mississippi.  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2010, 05:08:28 PM »
Well I reckon I learned something. The big muddy to me was always the Mississippi river, didn't know there was another big muddy, and Mississippi was always in the South. Hmmmmm.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2010, 06:03:02 PM »
Lots of semantics going on here when it comes to the geography. Mississippi is a southern state if your reference point is the Mason Dixon line. It's also an eastern state if your reference point is the North American continent. More specifically, it would be south eastern. It’s also known as one of the Gulf states. Again, all semantics. Hardly worth ripping someone a new consumed food exit channel over.
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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2010, 02:58:23 AM »
only semi-related... I thought Winchester was out of business, after having dropped the Model 94. Hmmm...

Prior to WWII, the Olin Corp. bought Winchester-which at the time was manufacturing both arms and ammunition.  They kept the name. Sometime in the mid-1950's, not long after a new shot tower was built at the New Haven, CT plant, they decided to consolidate most of their ammo production (shotshells and commercial ammo primarily) to their East Alton, IL facility.  The New Haven CT plant was left with the firearms division and a part of the ammo division that developed and produced small arms ammo for the military. The entire ammo production was transferred to IL around 1971.  Later, Winchester firearms production was sold to a local group that went by the name US Repeating Arms. That group was licensed to use the Winchester name and to produce Winchester models.  Ammo and Guns were actually two separate groups owned by Olin.  Among other divisions owned by Olin, whose business was/is largely chemicals, was Olin Brass.  That was pretty convenient--the same corporation owned several brass mills, and was able to furnish cartridge brass to one of their own divisions, as well as to other cartridge manufacturers. Since the US Repeating Arms sale at least, Winchester Firearms on its own hasn't really existed as Winchester, per se.

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Re: A union has screwed their members once again.
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2010, 03:11:18 AM »
thanks for all the replies re: Winchester/Olin - I knew there was some disconnect in there, but I learned a few things. My first shotgun was a Model 120 Ranger, cheap version of the 1300 - looks like those are gone, too.

re: the Model 94 - I remember this article came out when it went extinct; it was one of the best gun-related pieces I'd read, delightful reading - Stephen Hunter is a talented writer. Made me want a Model 94:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903278.html

FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm a Marlin guy... .

Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.