eer scopes on handi rifles

[Gallahad]

far as i can see, i need exactly 8" of eye relief for a scope to mount in front of the hammer and out of the way of the action. anybody know of such a scope?

[canon6]

Take at look at my combo. 2.5 power shotgun scope. even with the barrel.    Doug

[Gallahad]

well come on man! what make is it! and is it comfortable for eye relief?

[tcrace]

"well come on man! what make is it! and is it comfortable for eye relief?"

Yeah, come on canon6, give us the details. Inquiring minds want to know. 

[trotterlg]

An NcStar 2 to 7 X32 is nearly perfect.  Larry

[PowPow]

far as i can see, i need exactly 8" of eye relief for a scope to mount in front of the hammer and out of the way of the action. anybody know of such a scope?

peruse the Bushnell Bannner collection of low mag shotgun scopes.

[gendoc]

doug's scope looks like the simmons sg 2.5x20 8-point.... cud be wrong tho !!!

[dpe.ahoy]

I think that looks like the Simmons, I have 5 of em, they work great.  DP

[necchi]

Why do you need that much relief? Why not just mount the scope,,no modifications?

[canon6]

My scope is a Barska  2.5x20 . I have three Simmons   they all work great.    Doug

[Gallahad]

necchi,  pulling a hammer from the side, over long periods of time can cause hammer to frame fit problems, also, the extra weight of the spur can prematurly weaken the hammer spring. not good when a gizzly is in yer crosshairs. also, it is easier and quicker to get shells in and out of the action without the scope in the way, and the scout scope setup lets you better keep an eye on your target and whats around it.

[necchi]

ya, kinda figgured out you where asking about a scout scope after the fact, my bad   

[cwlongshot]

necchi,  pulling a hammer from the side, over long periods of time can cause hammer to frame fit problems, also, the extra weight of the spur can prematurly weaken the hammer spring. not good when a gizzly is in yer crosshairs. also, it is easier and quicker to get shells in and out of the action without the scope in the way, and the scout scope setup lets you better keep an eye on your target and whats around it.

Now I completely agree with the quick target acquisition Aforded from a lo power, forward mounted scope. But spring problems caused by a hammer spurs weight? I offer that generally its a direct result from h&r/ NEF using sub quality spring material or tempering. Heck many of them fail even without the spur!! Lol Simply install a Wolffe extra power spring. IMHO every handi should have one, mine do! I know for a fact many others here do the same.

Now on the spur causing hammer to frame contact or other problems. That's a bit of a stretch, I have never seen or herd of this happening at least never being caused by a hammer spur foraging the hammer. If it did, the build tollerances Of the hammer, frame or both would be to blame. Not the spur.

I have built a couple handi shotguns with the old Simmons 2.5 shotgun scope forward mounted Just infront of the hammer and they worked well. But I found myself wanting more power and range. From this setup just dosen't work so well with higher power scopes. Even a 4 X negates the benefits. So I got away from it. But an honest to goodness scout setup could fill this nitch nicely!! I may have to try this out, excellent idea!!

CW

[quickdtoo]

I agree with CW on the hammer/frame issue, that is, that it's a non-issue, there are too many here that have thousands hundreds (maybe an exaggeration to prove a point!) of rounds thru their H&Rs without a problem, and just as many that have solved FTF problems when and if they had them with a new hammer spring, preferably a Wolff extra power as CW also mentioned, many of those on brand new firearms, and not just rifles with hammer extensions, the same happens on shotguns, just spend a little time browsing the H&R Shotgun forum.

There are scout and forward mounted scope options in the FAQs, scout mounts are real easy with a Weaver #92A mount.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,109692.msg1098328172.html#msg1098328172

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,131059.msg1098486243.html#msg1098486243

[gcrank1]

It is truely amazing the continuing rotational mythology of any number of subjects, most with a supositional perspective that appears to be a theory based in substance but turns out to be.......

[Gallahad]

well, it happened to a revolver, and hammer got a little sloppy then seized up from junk, probably metal shavings, getting in there. say what you will about metal quality, and yes, it was an off brand manufactorer, but it happened. TC's have a real problem with the extra weight of spurs. so, i guess im generalizing a bit, but based on my experience, (and the experience wasnt with handis, so say what you like about my logic, won't hurt my feelings.) i think they are better off.....off. plus they ugly up yer gun. ha, ha.

[cwlongshot]

Your right there, they are none to purdy!! Lol

A couple years back Tim tried the Winchester hammer extention on a handi. If you haven't seen them, it's a straight " screw" with a bit larger dia knurled end. Slot nicer IMHO and less obtrusive as well as lighter. It has it's issues as the hammers are surface hardened so drilling and tapping a hole isn't that quick. But it works and may be an option for you  IIRC that's in the FAQs too!!

I know about the contender extention problems but compairing the two is an apples to oranges comparison. 

No one knows what they don't know till someone who knows shows them and the day we stop learning something is the day we meet our maker.

CW

[gcrank1]

I probably should have said something like, "there are usually other forces at work in these situations and often are the main culprit so lets not stop at the 'apparent cause'." Apologies If I caused offense. Ive been involved in analysis (or, is it, should have been in analysis?) for so long that I tend to automatically think of the countless times the apparent solution did little, or no good at all. If this stuff wasnt so challenging it probably wouldnt have kept my attention............or, there I go, drifting again.......
BTW, I find the free exchange of all the ideas and opinions in these forums to be worthwhile. The brainstorming and outside the box thnking is where creativity is happening.

[quickdtoo]

There are a bunch of alternative hammer extensions in the FAQs, the key is a lighter extension, bolt-ons such as the Ebay or Numrich extension which is a bit short and uncomfortable, works but is much lighter than the Uncle Mike's/Factory extension. Carlson's makes an aluminum extension that is ambidextrous, but it doesn't fit an unmodified hammer worth a darn, works well on an Encore tho.

Tim

http://www.chuckhawks.com/carlson_hammer_spur.htm

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,86991.msg525441.html#msg525441

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,117435.msg1098382159.html#msg1098382159

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,213562.msg1099145854.html#msg1099145854

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