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I found some nice guns. more pictures and some info.
« on: November 15, 2010, 05:41:14 AM »
Has been on a trip this weekend. I found some nice guns.















Guns, 1700-odd Danish / Norwegian bronze cannons, the damage caused by machine guns from the German planes 9 April 1940. This is partly described in Cato Guhnfeldts book "Fornebu April 9," p. 212 The guns were then at the Prince Carl's bastion, that is the bastion that is closest Stallgården where guns now stands.






















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Re: Has been on a trip this weekend. I found some nice guns.
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 06:49:01 AM »
oooh, aaah....thanks oyvind.

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 01:58:55 PM »
Thanks - I agree with DD - we need details and more pictures, if you have any more!

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 07:44:02 PM »
Great pictures. Thankyou for sharing. Just like taking a trip and never leaving the house.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 08:26:10 PM »
Thanks for your post, Oyvind; good pics.

The first, second, third, fourth, and fifth photos are of 18th century Danish bronze 12?-pounders with elephant head lifting handles; one is showing the cypher of King Christian VII on the reinforce, while the other bears a portrait of the same King on its reinforce. See pp. 29-30 in the following book.  
Naval guns: 500 years of ship and coastal artillery By Hans Mehl, Rudolf Roth


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Are some of these artillery pieces located at the Orlogsmuseum in Copenhagen?
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 08:24:07 PM »
That's an interesting elevation mechanism on this bronze howitzer.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 01:01:51 AM »


Interesting method of controlling recoil.  Do you have anymore information about this gun and carriage?
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 03:38:08 AM »


Interesting method of controlling recoil.  Do you have anymore information about this gun and carriage?

I wonder if it was for controlling recoil.  My first impression was a mechanism to get the gun back into battery quickly.  Second was that maybe the gun was retracted until in action, then levered into battery.  In any case, it is quite clever.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 04:06:00 AM »


     Mike and I also like this gun and particularly the carriage a lot.  Any further information on it's previous location would be much appreciated.

     It seems to us that it's low stature suggests a fortress location, probably in a casemate, the tube within an embrasure.  the V-shaped tongue at the front suggests this was a casemate carriage tied to a pintle-pin within the masonry under the embrasure opening.  For this display, the forward wrought iron A-frame with integral wheels about 1/2 the size of the rear traverse wheels has been replaced with a thick walled pipe section which IS NOT the carriage pivot point.  The forward wheels would have been set at a much smaller radius and ridden on a track or plate set into the casemate floor.  This is a front pintle, traversing carriage designed for a casemate application.

     The really unique part of this carriage is the design of the recoil and return to battery features.  We studied this picture quite a bit, and have come to the conclusion that this carriage that we call the 'locust carriage' because of the shape, can only work during the recoil cycle if a sturdy roller with a central V-groove lies under the tube, supported by the massive yoke in the area of, but NOT supporting the trunnions.  Only with this configuration of parts does the split-trail recoil reducing ramps make any sense.  If the yoke was a 'Trunnioin Yoke', then the tube supported by the 45 degree back brace and bolster supporting the quoin and the tube's breech could not recoil up those ramps!  It would be rigidly held in place.  The roller held in position by the massive 60 degree yoke is the only explanation that seems to work for us.  Anybody else have hardware in mind which would allow this piece to function during recoil?

     As for the 'Return-to Battery', that must have been one ear-piercing, CLANK!! as all that mass stopped instantly at the bottom of the hill!

This is all conjecture and not presented as established fact.  What do you think?

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 04:32:08 AM »
 

Is this a breechloader?

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 08:38:35 AM »
That type carriage is pictured on page 58 of "A History of Artillery" by Ian Hogg.  An apparent experimental carriage built to control recoil. The gun was discussed in a thread here earlier this year. It is a breech loader. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 08:43:05 AM »
 

 

Someone posted several photo's of this gun earlier this year from the rear showing the breech
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 10:06:18 AM »

Unknown gun #7 - Forsvarsmuseet, Oslo, Norway.

Knut Erik Hagen took these photos in March, 2004 at the Forsvarsmuseet (Armed Forces Museum), at Akershus Castle, in Oslo.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2010, 10:47:20 AM »
Yep That's them!  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2010, 11:09:19 AM »
Be interesting to see what the gear/spocket on the right side engages.
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 05:59:16 AM »
Are any of them eligible for adoption?  ;D
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