regulated @ 25 yds

[fatercat]

seems years ago a 1911 was regulated to shoot at point of aim at 25 yds.(Army) in was a industery standard. i bought a 1911 r1 that was not even close so i called remington and was told i had to buy adj. sights. and they never heard of such a thing.  i then bought a colt 1911 ser. 70 and yep, could cover 8 shots with hand at 25 yds. i guess anything goes now.  was i dreaming that up or what??   

[1911crazy]

What ammo are you using?  I been shooting the wolf 45acp ball ammo with decent accuracy. Getting a good new 1911 is a crap shoot no matter how many $$ we spend. Trust me i know this for a fact.  If its not up to par its up to us to fix it and make it right.

Did you try moving the fixed sights?(rear)  How far is it off, group size. Is the barrel bushing really loose on it?  How much play is there between the rear tang on the barrel to the cutout in the slide, like side to side, can the barrel be twisting or rocking when you fire it.  Sorry for the dumb questions but these lower priced 1911's, i really don't expect gold cup accuracy but i should beable to at least shoot, a 10" group on a bad day or much less right out of the box.  I'm no master marksman with 1911's.  These G.I / military sighted 1911's are mean't for human sized targets. It could be that remington is having quality control problems already from what i'm reading on other forums.  Let us know how the adjustable sights workout.

[jimster]

I've had pretty good luck over the years with 230 grain ammo out of Colts and Springfield, the SA I'm using now is dead on (height wise) at 25 yrds, a wee bit low at 50 yrds, but I can pick up the front sight a tad for that. Windage is adjustable.  If I shoot anything lighter than 230 grain ammo, all bets are off, I never do though.  Last Colt I sold I should have kept, had all steel adjustable sights, boy were those nice.
 
Is it shooting too high, or too low on target? 

The story about Remington bothers me some...where is the customer service? How am I supposed to be interested in one of those after reading your problem?  Customer service is EVERYTHING when I buy something. 

 

[Mikey]

Remington probably didn't know to what distance the sights on the 1911 are regulated and I'll betcha neither does Winchester or Federal or any other ammo makers.  They make ammo.

The sights on the 1911 were designed by the military to be regulated to 50 yds, hitting about 2-2.5" high at 25 yds and about dead on at 50 yds with the 230 gn ball at appox 875'/sec, the maximum effective range of the pistol in combat, according to Army doctrine, so jmster your Springer is on target.  I recall that a full front sight gets you to the breadbasket at 100 yds and a full front sight at the top of the target will ring the silhouette (ram, I think) at 200 yds.

fatercat - your colt does what the 1911 is supposed to do regardless of who makes it.  Actually, if I recall correctly, the requirement was for the pistols to be capable of grouping to 2-3 inches at 25 yds to no more than 6-8" at 50 yd.

[williamlayton]

It don't matter what the gun is regulated to do---I can't do it much anymore--therefore, the shotgun.
I do enjoy the attempts, however, and the occasional slips that hit.
Blessings 

[1911crazy]

I figured the remington customer service on there 1911 would be as bad or the same as the customer service on there rifles and other products.  From what i'm hearing there pretty p!ss poor when it comes to customer service about there rifles.  Heck there no different than most customer services of the other gun companies(some of them rank p!ss poor too). One of the companies i have hear good things about there customer service is kahr auto ordnance.  Having a good customer oriented service department tells me they want your business now and in the future.  AO also had a very fast turn around time too. I think they tuned the extractor a tad on there 1911a1 after that the pistol was awesome.  So far they get my vote and my return for more business.

Again we buy it, we own it, we fix it if it has a problem at any price and the higher priced 1911's scare me when i think about that.


When i feel comfortable with a handgun at 25yds i will see what kentucky windage i need to shoot it at 100yds.(pistols) I took my cz85DB in 9mm luger out to 100yds and noticed i need about 3' of aiming higher to pin point shots at 100yds.

[gray-wolf]

The answer you got from Remington is totally ridiculous !!
 I would have ask them " excuse me then at what distance is it posed to hit POA ?
My pistol shoots POA at 25 yards and a tad low at 50 with any ammo I shoot. as long as I am in the 850 875 Vel. range. They shoot POA at 7, and 10 also, 1/2 " give or take.
  How could they say you need adjustable sights ?  again my question would be " ok at what range don't I need them,"  And don't get into the different kind of ammo thing. Talk standard ball ammo.
  My springer came back to me with 25 yard test targets, using federal American Eagle.
I doubt that a 1911 with ball ammo shooting 2 1/2" high at 25 yards would be in my stable for very long, and if it did I would not expect it to drop 2 1/2" for the next 25 yards.  What he heck would it be at a hundred ?
2 1/2 feet low.  Up 2 1/2 at 25 and down 2 1/2 at 50, wow that's some trajectory.
  Remington is blowing smoke up your shirt and I wouldn't stand for it.
Also to say we are on our own no matter what 1911 we by is a bunch of crap, There are many pistol makers out there that care about there customers.  Perhaps you have not found any yet.  Your statement is far from true.
  By a Springfield 1911 and see if they don't make any legitimate problem right for you.
Were you shooting from a rest ? or off hand ?  I would shoot from a rest and also have someone else confirm the pistol.  Then get back to Remington.  There are many good 1911's out there with combat sights that do not shoot that way.
 You never told us exactly what spot on the target you were hitting,
 and did you use a 6 O-clock hold or dead

 

i guess anything goes now.  was i dreaming that up or what??

[/color]

No you weren't dreaming,  Anything doe's not go now, only what we let them get away with.
  As for you--as a customer-- I feel bad that you should have to go through this kind of treatment.
You lay your money down with good intent and can't even get a good answer over the phone.
  I truly hope it gets worked out for you, and thank you for your service.

[fatercat]

Geaywolf, it did work out for me. i got rid of the rem. and bought a colt ser. 70. with the remington at 25 yds you would have to hold 2 ft high and 1 1/2 ft to the right to hit your bull.  yes i know how to shoot a 1911. started in 1968 and have had one or more with me always. the lady i talked to said she liked to shoot so i guess she should have known what i was talking about.  reconded she did, she told to get adj. sights.

[gray-wolf]

Wow--that was way off the mark Eh.
I sure hope the new pistol works out for you, I think it will.
I sure didn't try to imply that you weren't familiar with the 45, Anyone could see by your post that you new what you were talking about.