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Offline ronbob

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243 Buck
« on: November 21, 2010, 05:44:27 AM »
Took this nice 13 point Buck with a 18 5/8" spread yesterday about 3PM using 87 grain Hornady's on top of a full load of 4350. He came walking down the side hill about 80 yards out and stood broadside in the food plot. I took the shot, he flinched and started to walk away, I took another shot broadside and he again flinch put his head and then turned and looked straight up and directly at me. Went for a  frontal shot that ended up missing the deer all together, and at that point he started to walk into the brush about 30 feet away and laided down. He was thrashing around trying to get up and so I took another shot, but later found the bullet hit a small branch and must'a glanced off. At first I did not think the bullets did a very good job but later found out during field dressing that both passed through, one exit hole took out a rib and was big enough to be able to insert three finger and the other about half that size. He field dressed at 140lbs. My grand daughter who was hunting with was really excited, it was truly a memorable day.

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 05:56:08 AM »
nice deer  and thanks for sharing. i know how the lil twigs work i missed a 6-8 point on thursday   with my 357 s&w other than that i have not seen any other deer during our gun season.
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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 07:21:33 AM »
Nice fat buck.  Interesting reading about the 87-grain Hornady.  I do not recall other reports on it.

P.S.  Sounds like you do not need a repeater! ;D
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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 08:27:42 AM »
Congrats on the nice buck!  BTW nice lookin handi.  I just bought the same stock set from a member to put on mine.

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 08:54:06 AM »
Nice buck and story.I hope to unleash my 243 on one in a couple of weeks.Slow
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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 08:58:31 AM »
Nice fat buck.  Interesting reading about the 87-grain Hornady.  I do not recall other reports on it.

P.S.  Sounds like you do not need a repeater! ;D

I reload hornady 87 gr BTHPs for me and son and had nothing but good luck

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 09:10:20 AM »
I use 100 grain in my .243...works everytime

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 09:27:54 AM »
Nice buck! and glad to see your getting another generation involved in hunting.
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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 09:49:11 AM »
Beautiful buck. Congrats !

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 11:08:05 AM »
Nice Buck
an unloaded wepon is equal to the same mass and volume as a rock.

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 11:12:12 AM »
Good shooting and nice buck! Congrats.
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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 12:25:36 PM »
NICE buck buddy!!
That 243 ain't too shabby either. :D



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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 01:07:45 PM »
NICE BUCK!!

 I don't want to creat a whole thread about appropraite bullet weights... BUT in .243 diameter, anything below 90 grains in a conventional bullet is a varmint bullet, not a big game bullet.

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 01:18:23 PM »
That's a fine buck! Great genetics too as he doesn't look to be very old.
It's funny how you never know how a deer is gonna react when shot. I've had 'em drop, had 'em run off (most times), and had 'em hardly react at all.
I remember one year I fired on a buck with a 30-06 (bolt action) at about 100 yds. He bolted and ran full tilt across the field. I quickly worked the bolt and fired another round (which was a heart shot), with which he piled up. Thinking I had somehow missed on the first shot, I was surprised when they skinned the buck and there were two holes about an inch apart through his chest.
Congrats on the deer, and on introducing a youngster to the sport!

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 01:56:16 AM »
NICE BUCK!!

 I don't want to creat a whole thread about appropraite bullet weights... BUT in .243 diameter, anything below 90 grains in a conventional bullet is a varmint bullet, not a big game bullet.

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Thats what i found out too.....

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 05:13:30 AM »
I am from the school of a little more bullet weight for caliber is a good investment.  And I have followed cwlongshot theory that bullets over 90-grains are better when hunting big game.  I backed this thinking in investing money, and time in loading the Speer 105-grain Hot-Cor Splitzer deer.  A key reason is the bullet is designed for medium game, and combined with a higher B.C. then most 100 grain bullets.  The 105-grain Speer has a ballistic coefficient of 0.443; most 100-grain .243 diameter bullets have a B.C. plus or minus 0.350.  
    
I have always had a question mark regarding the 87-grain .243 diameter Hornady SP when it comes to deer and antelope.  Dating back to the introduction of the .244 Remington which had a 1:12 twist (A.K.A. the 6MM Remington name plate came along with a 1:9 Twist) and the reputation that it would not stabilize 100-grair Splitzer bullets.  I was under the impression the 87-grain Hornady was intended for the .244 Remington deer hunter.  

Cwlongshot is correct in that Remington produced a 90-grain .244 CL load back in the dark ages.

A quick check of two different Hornady Manuals shows that Hornady recommends their 87-grain bullet for varmints and medium size game.  Hornady recommends its lighter .243 bullets for target and varmints.

The kicker from the Hornady Manual that hammers my theory in paragraph one is they recommend there 100-grain round nose for the .244 barrels with 1:12 twist.  And I must cover myself because I believe some late production Remington .244 rifles had 1:9 twist.

Speer has dropped a lot of its Hot Cor line up with Deep Curl bullets.
Deep Curl line-up.
http://www.speer-bullets.com/whatsnew/newproducts.aspx

.243/6MM Deep Curl bullets.  http://www.speer-bullets.com/ballistics/default.aspx?caliber=2&usage=0&brand=0&firearm=1

There has been a lot of pro and con discussion regarding the 1000 pounds of energy number considered suitable for deer.  I use that as a rule of thumb because nobody has offered anything better.  Based on my testing at the range firing for accuracy and at the same time gathering data from the Chrony, and then running the number using Sierra Six infinity software the 105 grain Speer Hot Cor out performs the 100-grain crowd.  After 300-yards the 80-grain crowd drops like bricks.

The day is coming when I will be out of the 105 grain bullets and I will have to accept something else.  The new bullet might weight only 80-grains, I am thinking about the 80-85 non lead bullets that are produced by Barnes, Hornady, and Nosler.  I am looking forward to reading feed results on these bullets in the .243 Winchester.  Another option I am considering is the 87-grain Hornady if I impacts close to the WW 80-grain that I load for varmints.  The WW 80-grain proofed rather explosive on a mule deer’s ribs from a friends rifle.

ronbob your whole hunt was a success, my hat is off to you.  Without a doubt a high scoring hunt with your granddaughter.  Wow, that alone makes for a great day.  Scoring a far better than average buck with your handload.  A .243 case stuff with full of 4350 gives a muzzle velocity around 3000fps.    Two exits on a buck shot at 80-yards indicate the bullet is of good construction.

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2010, 05:53:10 AM »
There has been a lot of pro and con discussion regarding the 1000 pounds of energy number considered suitable for deer.  I use that as a rule of thumb because nobody has offered anything better.


I guess the buck I shot with my 22 hornet shouldn't have died then... but he did. ;)
Said it before and I'll say it again... that 1000 pounds of energy stuff is nonsense.




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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2010, 12:10:02 PM »
There has been a lot of pro and con discussion regarding the 1000 pounds of energy number considered suitable for deer.  I use that as a rule of thumb because nobody has offered anything better.


I guess the buck I shot with my 22 hornet shouldn't have died then... but he did. ;)
Said it before and I'll say it again... that 1000 pounds of energy stuff is nonsense.


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I know what you mean Spanky, but the point is HUMANE killing power. I can kill one with a ball peen hammer to the forehead. What kind of foot pounds do I produce?  Its NEVER a question of if it would kill a animal. Hell for many years the biggest Grizzly on record fell to a little indian girl and a SINGLE SHOT 22 RIMFIRE!!!

Its just mo opinion, be I feel we owe it to the game we hunt to do it humanely.

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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2010, 08:50:06 AM »
I just did a little reseacrh on the net & came up with several bullet manufacurers who offer lighter than 100gr big game bullets in the .243.
First is Nosler we all know that name, they offer  an 85gr partition @ 28.70/50
                                                                        95gr partition @ 29.60/50
                                                                       100gr partition @ 29.00/50

Next I found Barnes who led the non lead bullet technology!!
                                                 Barnes offers a    85gr TSX boattail @unlisted price/50.
                                  I use the Barnes X bullet in the .375 H&H Mag & it's an awsome bullet.

   Then I found Hornaday also in the non lead bullet arena.
                                               Hornaday offers a 80grn GMX bullet @ 38.91/50.

All of these bullets would be good big game bullets, none of them will blow up, & all should penitrate well for big game.
Some of them are non lead bullets & all should be good game bullets. The price is higher than standard bullets, but we really don't shoot an awful lot of them at game. We might even be able to find a varmint weight bullet that shoots to the same sights as the big game bullet.
Hope it helps some.
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Re: 243 Buck
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2010, 05:16:29 PM »
you want a good 95 grain 243 bullet find some fusion bullets made by federal.I wont even shoot a deer with em anymore seems more like an elk bullet to me