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Offline ironglow

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Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« on: November 29, 2010, 12:02:56 AM »
  A couple months ago, one of our friends right here warned us about "sharing" too much with the VA. In the last year many of us have been at the VA clinics and been asked; ... "Do you have thoughts of suicide" ?
  Our friend on this forum advised us against admitting just such things, saying such an admission may be used as a reason to pull your CC ..or play gremlins with any legal claims you may later be involved in.
       Here is one old man who did "share" and what did he get for it ? According to the article, the VA nurse who had not previously been very helpful,  apparently ignored his frustration and immediately blew him in to the authorities:

       http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/son_of_elderly_man_charged_with_threatening_presid.php?ref=mblt

   Especially since this question is evidently only come to be asked regularly in the last year, it has the Obama administration fingerprints all over it (IMO).


       Can we figure this old man is headed for life imprisonment ?
 Do you suppose he will be granted all the priviliges and publicity the muslim terrorist was granted in his recent trial in NY City ?
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2010, 02:10:39 AM »
its alway a mistake to say you want to shoot the president..
 the ole fellows just lonely.. probably feels as if time has passed him by..

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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2010, 03:22:30 AM »
A very  sad story. Pretty clear the va failed him. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 03:27:59 AM »
Ooopps!............. loose lips.........
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 07:09:48 AM »
hitler,stalin,pol pot, all would have had him locked up. Not really surprising to see it here. Hmmm what did they call them? Undesireables?

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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2010, 07:17:47 AM »
The act of committing suicide is illegal in this country. So when a government employee asks you that question and you find yourself in deep crap, it should come as no surprise to anyone.

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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2010, 12:49:13 PM »
having random thoughts about something is nothing

CONTEMPLATING doing something is different

WANTING to do something is different still.  if I wanted to be a millionaire, I wouldn't have internet or cable, I'd be buying lottery tickets and working two jobs instead of bumming out after 8-10hrs a day working 1 job.  but I sure CONTEMPLATE what I'd do with the money, and have RANDOM THOUGHTS about how nice it'd be.


who WANTS to kill themselves and DOESN'T have slash marks on their wrists or skull fractures from jumping off a roof?  I think people don't understand the question, it's a matter of vocabulary and ignorance.  why the va even asks though... ???  maybe because of the people who are on the tipping point and/or going down with old age dementia/alzheimer's?  I've tried asking before and never got a straight answer.... been asking since '07 BEFORE obama was in office too.

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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2010, 01:00:21 PM »
I think the point is don't give the government anything unless they must have it. When a government official asks you a question, it’s because they are going to do something based on your answer. If the answer to a question places you in direct conflict with the law, you should think twice about the answer you give. If someone really has suicidal thoughts and is willing to suffer the government’s response, by all means say yes. If you don't, so no. But if anyone thinks answering yes is going to serve their individual best interest, think twice. Thats the only point I'm trying to make.
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2010, 01:10:59 PM »
Ideation = thinking or vocalizing about an action without doing it
Gesture = action with no real effect, or the potential for real effect
Attempt = action with real effect, or the potential for real effect
... At least that's how the DOD publications all read. Sounds like this veteran IDEATED, which if he were in uniform would've resulted in an investigation to determine if what he said could be constituted as a CREDIBLE THREAT, which requires MEANS & MOTIVE. If a reasonable person, impartial 3rd party, could draw the conclusion that his statement presented a credible threat, and that he means to act, then he could be charged with a communicating a threat. However, as a civilian, I'm not certain what the threshold of evidence would have to be to determine that he presented a credible threat to the President. My understanding through the "grapevine" is that our current President recevies a lot of death threats, like many before him.

Sounds like a VA employee that will fit right into nationalized healthcare; shame, really. One of the Chosin Few visited my church this Sunday past; hate to think of him going through that, never mind all the young folks leaving service today. It may sound self serving but I think our Vets deserve better.
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 02:36:04 PM »
  Tha tragedy of it all..if the article is to be believed;
  The VA seemed unable to do much of anything to help him, for many years and many appointments...but when frustration boils over and he says something rash..they are "Johnny on the spot" trying to hang him !
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2010, 10:53:20 PM »
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Think about this.
It is illegal to commit suicide.
Who you going to arrest---what are you going to do, put the corpse in prison?
Just a giggle came to my face.
I wonder if it is illegal to commit suicide? If it is, it is an example of folks thinking laws prevent.
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 01:32:30 AM »
When I first heard about these question I thought it was internet bs. Well I know for sure it aint from my physical back in september.
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Re: Veterans, we have been warned about this..
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 05:13:00 AM »
When I first heard about these question I thought it was internet bs. Well I know for sure it aint from my physical back in september.

  Right Billy.. Last time I visited the VA clinic, I was asked the same questions. I gave them zip, zero, zed, nada ...to chew upon !

    This seems to have come up just in the last year or so, could it be just another effort of the socialist/progressives to whip veterans in line ?  The Obamanites seem to fear veterans, that is probably because so very few of them are veterans. Just consider; Obama never served in the military..at least not the US military.  ;) :D    ...And think for yourself; how many in the White House, president's assistants or cabinet are veterans ? Can you name any ?
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