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Offline powderman

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Religious leaders openly support REAL marriage.
« on: December 08, 2010, 04:47:36 AM »
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This will probably upset the gays, libs, and other pantywetters. Marriage is between a man and woman. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Religious leaders openly support REAL marriage.
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 05:37:24 AM »
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This will probably upset the gays, libs, and other pantywetters. Marriage is between a man and woman. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

I swear you seem to have an odd, odd wet panty fetish.

Anyways, I don't particularly care much as to this.  Marriage is a religious issue anyways, and as such the state shouldn't be involved.  I personally wouldn't have a problem with the state ended all official/legal recognition of "marriage".  If people want to get married, do it as a symbolic ceremony in a church of your choice.  Let the leaders there decide who they will and won't perform the ceremony for.

The legal side of what we call marriage should just be renamed to a civil partnership or civil union and as a secular issue and institution the state shouldn't worry any about who is involved.

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Re: Religious leaders openly support REAL marriage.
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 07:38:44 AM »
MGM. If the gays get their way churches would have no say in the issue, they would have to go through the process anyway. Marriage is not just between a man and woman but also a covenent with God and God sees homosexuality as an abomination.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Religious leaders openly support REAL marriage.
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 08:11:15 AM »
MGM. If the gays get their way churches would have no say in the issue, they would have to go through the process anyway. Marriage is not just between a man and woman but also a covenent with God and God sees homosexuality as an abomination.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o

If you want to believe that, that's your first amendment right.  HOWEVER, marriage has become entangled in a state-recognized legal partnership.  From that perspective, any union recognized by the STATE cannot be held to any standard whatsoever as to what it means between the parties and whatever god (if any) they worship or whether or not s/he sees their union as an abomination or not.

As such, the easiest way to handle this is to separate the religious aspect of marriage AWAY from the legal aspect.  As said, want to get married?  Handle it the same way you do a baptism: a religious ceremony with no legal significance.  If a church sees the union as an abomination, then so be it.  Let them look for another church or just forget about the idea if they want.  I don't care what churches do and don't do, so long as it's a cultural and not a legal issue.

The LEGAL aspect of marriage should be a secular affair.  Rename it a civil partnership.  In the eyes of the law (hospital visitation rights, joint tax returns, handling of estates, court appointed divorce terms, etc), that's the only thing that should matter.  From that perspective, the state shouldn't care who is filing for a civil partnership.  Be they a straight couple or a gay couple, or even just two friends (regardless of gender) who have decided that they want to live together and share a household.  Romantic interests don't even need to be involved. You want to file your paperwork and get the legal protections of 2 people living together? Go for it. 

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Re: Religious leaders openly support REAL marriage.
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 12:43:48 PM »
MGM, I have often thought the same, but it is wholly dependent on a couple of things. The term marriage must become a constitutionally protected religious term under the establishment clause. The government cannot perform them, or pass laws preferring one means to another. The government cannot also dissolve them, since they did not grant them in the first place. What that would mean to those seeking Marriage is that only the church (denomination, religion, order) in which you were married could grant divorce, if at all. It would be separate from the legal matter; the state could still determine the dissolution of the civil partnership, distribution of property, custody. But your faith group might have a few things to say about whether you were still married or not.

And anyone who merely has a civil partnership cannot claim to be married. And I can preach from the pulpit all I want about how marriage is between a man and a woman, under the 1st amendment. As a Pastor who has a very high bar for whom he will and won't marry, I would gladly agree to leaving Marriage to God, and civil partnership to the government. I think you'll have a harder time convincing gay marriage supporters though; they wont be happy until the government forces God to bless their union. Not being flippant - I have that straight from the horse's mouth.
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Re: Religious leaders openly support REAL marriage.
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2010, 01:00:39 PM »
God has been left out of too many things now, thats whats wrong with the world now. The queers can get all the pieces of mans paperwork they want, but they will never have Gods blessing, and thats the only one that matters. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm