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Offline Grump

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« on: November 22, 2003, 01:47:04 PM »
I have recently been having problems with my patches staying whole when shooting in cold weather(0-20 deg.). I use the dutch dry patch method with a 5:1 ratio and that always has worked well for me.After shooting a few rounds and swabbing between shots with a spit patch my .018 pillow ticking starts to blowout.Tried a thinner denium with the same result.I got some 3:1 ratio drying in the basement to try in the morning.Anyone have any sugestions for a proven cold weather patch system(-10 to 20 deg). Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2003, 02:54:17 PM »
5 WATER TO ONE OIL????????
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2003, 03:11:01 PM »
Yes my original load was 5 parts water to 1 part water soluble oil. I let this dry until the water evaporates from my patch material.Will try 3 part water to 1 part oil tomarrow if the snow lets up.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2003, 04:22:04 PM »
Grump i use the 7to1,a while back i had a patch off the same strip burn up after some consecetive shooting.It was a hot day and the patches were over a month old.
 Next time out i had fresh patches and it was a little cooler,not much but a little.I also gave a couple min. more betwween shots.Things came back together good,on target and no more smokein patch.
 Remember your Dutch,the more lube the less accurate it may be.
 If it dont come together try puting a buffer patch like a precut .015 on top the powder and then the regular patch and ball.you may be surprised of thye results.
 Good luck :D
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2003, 01:07:39 PM »
I use Dutch's dry lube system also. I use a 9:1  (9 pts water 1 pt Ballistol) mix and have not had any trouble with burnt  or smoldering patches. I keep my strips sealed in a film canister after they dry.

 I would venture to guess you will lose accuracy if you go to a 3:1 mix. That would be pretty slick and from my experience...the slicker the patch the more the group opens up.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2003, 08:26:29 AM »
:D   For what it is worth guys.  I use only pure neetsfoot oil on my patches.  It can be a little oily,but have not run into a problem yet in ref to weather....stay safe......King
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2003, 08:43:24 AM »
Another option is Lehigh Valley Lube -- temperature changes won't alter it & it's water soluble like the cutting oils described above. Click on the red-lettering hyperlink after visiting this site for a detailed account of how it works.

http://thunder-ridge-muzzleloading.com/lubes.htm#lehigh

Another plus about Lehigh is how it prevents rust.

http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/mlexperiments/corrosion/corrosion.html
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2003, 03:13:01 PM »
Propedator, Your right. I went and reread the sacred papers again. The patches didnt start to blow out until I had shot more than 6 rounds. My therory is this - Ive been using a thinner cleaning patch to do my between shot swabbing and the 777 crudring hard fowling might be causing my patch blowouts.I hope to confirm this tomarrow. I would also like to try Balistol for patch lube. Heard alot of good things about that Lehigh valley stuff too.Thanks
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2003, 04:23:55 PM »
Propredator, my wife's rifle is having blown-patch trouble. We're going to try your suggestion of a buffer patch using a precut .015" patch.

When inserting the buffer patch, was there any special technique used? Do we just crumple one up and ram it down?

When you tried it, did it effect just the group size, or did it affect the point of impact as well?

Thanks!
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2003, 05:10:26 AM »
Rum river i just start it with the ramrod,not the jag end.Put it down on the powder and then the patch and ball.You sould be able to feel the buffer patch compress some when you get the ball down there.
 I think it shoots more accurate with just the regular patch if you dont get the barrel too darn hot and use fairly fresh patch strip.
 Besides being forget full as i am id probably forget to load  the buffer patch when im hunten :)
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2003, 05:17:06 AM »
T7 keep us updated on how the leehigh valley works as a rust preventer.Looks promising. :D
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2003, 05:26:24 AM »
Propred,

Thanks for the response, my wife and I will give it a try.
We won't have a chance to test before hunting Saturday, do you think a buffer patch will affect point of impact?
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2003, 06:31:51 AM »
I was having the burn prolbem and started using a wonder wad over the powder and it fixed it right up.
                                                   Charlie
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2003, 01:24:23 PM »
Rum river i would think it would be close to the same in your gun,you will just have to give it a try some time,good luck hunten :D
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2003, 05:04:39 AM »
I've always had good luck in warm weather and cold weather with the following:

1. 54 cal T/C Hawken
2. 110 grains FFg
3. 54 cal over the powder wonder wad
4. Rifle cleaning patches that when compressed hard come out to .010 and lubed with 7:1 water soluable oil-buy em at Cabelas
5. Remington gold colored roundball

I wipe with a spit patch between shots as described in the Precision Bullets website and cut my patch at the muzzle very carefully.  I used patches this year that were made last year and they worked fine. I just store them in a plastic bag.  Dutch sure got me shootin' straight with a little help from Precision Bullet and Ross Seifried!   :D

Good Shootin', Krag
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