Author Topic: fastest 22.cal air rifle ? (Read 14565 times)

superdown · « **on:** June 22, 2008, 08:33:14 AM »

What is the fastest break single pump style air rifle ? , superdown

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2008, 08:44:20 AM »

Dunno but I was looking thru a catalog the other day and noticed one advertised as doing 1000 fps which is about the fastest I've personally ever seen claimed for one.

Camba · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2008, 10:41:23 AM »

One thing that is confusing and some times missleading is the air rifle velocity. Manufacturers advertise 1000 fps for .177 and 800 fps in .22 in the same type of rifle. Then, you have some people to have actually measured the velocities and in particular, the .22 is only going at 650 fps. This is due to the type of ammunition available. There are some type called rockets, whose weight in grains is probably around 5.x grains while the normal lead ammo is 14.5 to 15.5 gr. It would be nice if the advertisement comes with the information of what ammo was used to get such velocities. Dont you think?

Camba

Larry Gibson · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2008, 06:59:16 PM »

Not sure which single cock .22 cal air rifle is advertised as "the fastest" and you can look it up as well as I can.

However, keep in mind that the power remains the same in any given single cock air rifle. Velocity will vary with the weight of the pellet. A lighter pellet obviously will give a higher velocity. My M54 RWS .22 cal runs from a low of 632 fps with 21.5 gr Kodiaks to a high of 832 fps with Beeman 12.5 gr Silverbears. I most often shoot 14.3 gr Crosman Premiers at 799 fps. The M54 is advertised at 900 fps so with one of the superlite pellets I imagine it will do 900 fps. Quite frankly I've found the 14.3 gr Premier to be deadly and extremely accurate to 80 yards. Velocities were taken with an Oehler M35P with start screen 2' from muzzle. When using air rifles within there practical limitations I've found accuracy is more important than velocity.

Larry Gibson

superdown · « **Reply #4 on:** June 26, 2008, 12:45:40 PM »

thanks for the responces guys i am looking for a 22cal that will do at least 1000fps with the heaviest pellets. anyone know if one exists that would accomplish that ? superdown

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2008, 01:11:55 PM »

1,000 FPS out of an air rifle with a heavy pellet? You should look for a rimfire and shoot a CB long. It will be quiet as a pellet rifle and throw a 30 grain bullet at 900 Fps or so. I don't know what you want to get rid of but most of the high end target pellet rifles will fo it with proper shot placement. I've killed Rabbits, Grey and ground squirrels Ghophers, and Oppossum with my 177 with target ammo.
There is a problem with going too fast with a pellet. Over the speed of sound the pellets have a problem with comming back under the speed of sound and tend to tumble. It has something to do with the skirt on the pellet that adds accuracy with out the weight.
22 pellet rifles are about accuracy. The 650 to 850 is fast enough to knock down most vermin and varmints but slow enough to give you great 50 yard accuracy.
You may also look at the 177 caliber pellets with the New Gamo Gold pellets that increase speed by 25%. My 177 shoots best with the heaviest pellets I can find but the light Gamo gold pellets give the best penitration.
If you really want to have a heavy pellet with ultra high speed build your own out of a 311 rifled barrel and a scuba tank and use 32 (312) round ball dropped in from the breach.

superdown · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2008, 04:09:18 PM »

we have lots of rabbits and racoon ,stray dogs, coyote , dove ,quail ,crows plus i've also seen a few ringnecks around but since i am "inside the city limits " distcharging a firearm is a big feau paux. superdown

Chris Potts · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2008, 04:29:52 PM »

You may want to consider the getting a .25. I was considering getting one a while back and I heard good things about the Sumatra 2500. I believe that they are made in korea and they are pretty loud. I use mine in the city and and didn't want to draw too much attention so I just use my spring piston gun. To get maximum power you will probably be looking at pre-charged pneumatics which are louder than spring piston guns. They claim that the .25 Sumatra will push a 34.9 grain pellet at 975 fps.

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/show.pl?cmd_items=1&Manufacturer=Eun%20Jin&Type=1

Hope this helps.

Chris

Even with the .25 I don't think that I would want to shoot a stray dog or coyote. It might work with a really good shoot but I think that I would look for another solution.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2008, 05:25:50 AM »

Again go Rim fire with the CB Longs out of my CZ 452 Lux they are quirter than the Gamo .177 and if you need to make a lound bang with standard or hyper 22's if you shoot only once or twice ther is no problem getting rid of a yote. You just need to pick the time. I would use 22 shot shells on rats that would come in from the lake to get at the dog food. As long as I did it when the kids were at school and the soaps were on and after 5pm to 8:30 no one noticed the bang. The only time anyone asked me if I heard something was when I cought a rat in the garage and killed it after 9 at night.
The only thing I can tell you is to be sure of your background and use a bullet that will not over penitrate on the yotes. Hey reason to get a 17.

superdown · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:10:49 AM »

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Again go Rim fire

discharging a firearm in city limits is illegal around here so that is not an option for me. but thanks for the input. i really want to stay with 22cal single pump if reasonable. I might just go with the 22 cal version of this air rifle. This is a pretty impressive. I don't need all the velocity of a rimfire with this air rifle. The reason for the 22 i don't like fumbling with the really light 17 cal pellets when it is cold.
http://www.gamousa.com/Videos/62_wmv.htm
Superdown

dave · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2008, 03:43:15 AM »

you're kidding, right? Don't believe the hype, that video has been around a while, and is at best somewhat suspect. Its a great marketing tactic though, aimed right at the average buyer who knows little about the realities of break barrel spring guns and is only concerned with "how fast will it shoot?". As a result, real life Gamo velocities are usually quite a bit less that advertised. If you want a .22 rifle that will actually get close to 1000 fps you don't have a lot of choices that have decent build quality. The RWS model 54 will hit 800, the RWS 350 and 460 can get to the high 800s, the Beeman RX2 will get to the 900s, as will the Crow Magnum. Prices start at about $450 and go up sharply to over 1000 for the higher end Theobens. You should know that these rifles can be a bear to to shoot. That much power from a spring gun means lots of recoil, as a result its hard to be real accurate without lots of practice. It also means that the average scope will get eaten in short order, so if you want the gun scoped be prepared to buy some decent optics that can handle the heavy recoil of a magnum springer. All that power also means cocking effort is very high. The Crow Magnum for example is rated a 60 pounds. Not really what you want for an afternoon of plinking in the yard. After a few dozen shots you'll be discovering some muscles that you didn't know you had are pretty sore.

Larry Gibson · « **Reply #11 on:** June 29, 2008, 03:50:01 PM »

Superdown

"we have lots of rabbits and racoon ,stray dogs, coyote , dove ,quail ,crows plus i've also seen a few ringnecks around but since i am "inside the city limits " distcharging a firearm is a big feau paux."

I'd guess that discharging a firearm shooting several of these is not the only "big feau paux' you will commit even if you shoot them with an air rifle. As mentioned, if you want the power of a .22 then the firearm is the way to go. I've lots of experience killing all the critters mentioned and there is no way I'm shooting a coyote or stray dog with an air rifle except under extreme circumstance. I've killed a couple smaller racoons with the M54 but the range was close and they were conered giving me the precise shot needed. Still the kill was not quick or clean and I'll not do it again. There is something to be said about the old addage; "use enough gun". Air rifles are not firearms and should not be used when inappropriate to do so.

Larry Gibson

trotterlg · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2008, 06:09:47 PM »

Well said Larry Gibson, my name is Larry Gibson Trotter, interesting? For higher powered air rifles you may want to look at the 9MM to 50 Cal's. They do exist, people kill Hogs with them. Larry

superdown · « **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2008, 08:12:41 AM »

I have no intention of actually trying to kill any coyotes or stray dogs just something to keep them away from my animals . I also have vegetable garden that the crows and raccoons try to get at and the rabbits ,dove and other birds i would eat. the raccoons for some reason lately are out during midday allot and being a nuisance just yesterday five of them were on my neighbors deck . superdown

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2008, 08:40:15 AM »

Raccoons at midday, Call animal control! you may have a rabbies problem.
As far as the other critters. All will fall to a standard .177 or .22 pellet gun and a crossman or Daisey BB gun with three of four pumps and hits in the body will keep stray dogs and yotes away. Enough to sting but not enough to cause damage.

dave · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2008, 02:59:49 PM »

5 raccoons at one time in the same place during the day sounds like a juveniles out for a romp to me. You won't see rabid raccoons socializing like that, let alone organizing a raiding party.

superdown · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:06:13 PM »

they were definitely not rabid there were two adults and the rest were juveniles. so anyway what kind of pellet rifles do you guy's hunt with and what have you taken with them (pictures) . superdown

A177 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2008, 04:27:10 PM »

If you want fast, go to one of the PCP (Precharged Pneumatic) Air Rifles, Air Force Condor comes to mind. For more ft-lbs, look into the .25 caliber. For even more power, look at the larger 9mm and up PCPs. Accuracy, however, is far more important than sheer velocity in Air arms, though.

lamerabbit · « **Reply #18 on:** November 03, 2008, 05:13:33 AM »

Theoben Eliminator AKA Beeman use to sell them under a different name, but you can still find them at: http://www.theoben.co.uk/home.php Not a price that I would pay mind you, I would go with a pre-charged gun first, however if you have to have a single stroke go with the Webly Patriot it is half the price and almost as much power, and they are better than the cheaper air guns, who’s names won’t be mentioned here!

The Theoben was/is a bear to cock, like you wound not believe, and the trigger is not to hot. It is not too heavy but it has a lot of take up and it is a bit hard to tell when it is going to break. The Webly made my teeth hurt. It is a good gun if you want to be “shaken and not stirred.”

I really don’t think the most power is what you really want, go with a pre-charged that has a shrouded barrel, AKA silencer, and you will not feel like you have been beaten to a pulp after a shooting session.

PS the 25's are usually not as accurate, leastwise not in any kind of springer.

Jim

mechanic · « **Reply #19 on:** November 03, 2008, 06:35:12 AM »

Something to bear in mind, your local jurisdiction may consider a pellet gun a firearm. In my city, they are one and the same in the eyes of the law.

I have used a 22 very carefully to eradicate an overpopulation of squirrils. I just slip out at daybreak when most everyone is asleep, knock off two or three, then put it away.

I am aware that I may get caught. If so, I'll pay the fine without protest. Just the cost of doing business.

If I spotted a coyote in my yard, I would be unfazed by the fine, and more worried about the coyote. If one ate my wife's dog, there would be no consoling her.

Ben

Tiapan64 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 27, 2010, 03:40:45 PM »

I have a Benjamin Super Streak in .22 Cal that shoots the 14.3 grain Benni Discovery hollow point pellet at 917 FPS AVG. over an olin skyscreen. But accuracy is another matter. Have had to learn the military hold......once I did that, it seems to be accurate as well. Man these springers are picky!!! But once you get it right WOW!!!!! 32 grackles and 22 pigeons later out to 70 yrds and amazing!! Still not 1000 FPS but with 14.3 grains it drops them like a rock!! clean pass thru's on all but the ones at 70 yrds. Years ago I had a pellet gun I think was a 2200 magnum pump gun.....I shot more rabbits with that than I have with a 22 LR and it killed them dead. Best as I can recall it was about 700 FPS advertized so more like 600 actually! My superstreak it advertized at 1000 FPS with .22 pellets.....LOL not actually!! hehe Oh and it comes with a Centerpoint 4x16 scope with lighted reticles...red or green. But after I locktighted all the scope screws it seems to hold real well!! Remember these springers are hard on scopes!! However I shoot a S&W 500 magnum and a 338 Mag so this recoil is a LOL to me!! Here is a link to my air rifle: http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-sheridan-super-streak-air-rifle.shtml

Dweezil · « **Reply #21 on:** November 28, 2010, 05:14:14 PM »

Another option...and made by the same company (You did know Crosman owns Benjamin, right?) is the Crosman Titan Nitro Piston. Published velocity of 1000fps (figure 8-900 actual with Crosman Premiers. Should work on everything but the coyotes/coons....and quieter because of the Nitro piston. A lot of the noise from the spring piston gun is from the buzzing of the springs. Check Pyramid Air. Make sure you DON'T get the low velocity one manufactured specifically for the Canadian Market.

Otherwise, high velocity (barely subsonic) and heavy projectile pretty much means suppressed .22 rimfire...and you can get that whole setup, including the $200 NFA tax, barrel threading, suppressor, for the cost of some of precharged pneumatics. Thompson Machine Zephyr: $200, receiving dealer charge: $50, Barrel threading (ex: Bolt action Savage MKII...at Tornado Tech: $85. NFA tax on form 4: $200. Waiting 4 months for the BATF to approve your completed form 4 (after you've paid all this money): Priceless.

Still cheaper than an Air Force Condor with a manual pump.

Fair warning: once shooting suppressed, you will want more. It's addictive.

Tiapan64 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 28, 2010, 09:06:02 PM »

Quote from: Dweezil on November 28, 2010, 05:14:14 PM

Another option...and made by the same company (You did know Crosman owns Benjamin, right?) is the Crosman Titan Nitro Piston. Published velocity of 1000fps (figure 8-900 actual with Crosman Premiers. Should work on everything but the coyotes/coons....and quieter because of the Nitro piston. A lot of the noise from the spring piston gun is from the buzzing of the springs. Check Pyramid Air. Make sure you DON'T get the low velocity one manufactured specifically for the Canadian Market.

Otherwise, high velocity (barely subsonic) and heavy projectile pretty much means suppressed .22 rimfire...and you can get that whole setup, including the $200 NFA tax, barrel threading, suppressor, for the cost of some of precharged pneumatics. Thompson Machine Zephyr: $200, receiving dealer charge: $50, Barrel threading (ex: Bolt action Savage MKII...at Tornado Tech: $85. NFA tax on form 4: $200. Waiting 4 months for the BATF to approve your completed form 4 (after you've paid all this money): Priceless.

Still cheaper than an Air Force Condor with a manual pump.

Fair warning: once shooting suppressed, you will want more. It's addictive.

LOL, Yeah I knew....but what I didn't realize is this is a 2 yr old thread!! LOL oh well. And you are right...once you shoot suppressed you WILL want more!!!

Dweezil · « **Reply #23 on:** November 29, 2010, 04:48:25 AM »

Wow! Over 2 years old. I had no idea.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2010, 02:05:34 AM »

I would have just jumped in had you not pointed out how dead this horse we're whipping is.

So, if the OP is still hanging around....what did you get?