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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2010, 06:24:13 AM »
There are plant propagation books that tell how to harvest seeds and store them. Some seeds need specific processes to germinate also. These books often tell how to propogte by rooting and grafting also. eddie
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2010, 06:57:56 AM »
Excellant point on the various ways to treat seeds to insure germination. Throwing them in the freezer for a few weeks is pretty common but by no means correct for all.
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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2010, 07:36:20 AM »
Wow! This thread brings back some far distant memories. My Grandparents were farmers, as were my older aunts and uncles. My Dad fled the farm during the oil boom and never had any desire to go back. But my grandparents always had a garden and got almost everything they ate. As I read this, I start to realize they had the skills we're talking about today and trying to gain. I remember them setting aside certain plants to harvest seeds from and every year seeing seeds spread out drying then being put away for next years garden. Every spring the window sills would hold little plants started from those saved seeds in little containers. Then when the threat of frost was gone the garden was planted. Since the cash crop was cotton (South Central Oklahoma) the garden was always right behind the house and then the cotton fields would begin. Later the crops shifted to soybeans. I never remember them going to store for vegies. They bought flour, cornmeal, baking powder, and sugar at the store. Their little house was always packed with shelves of jars of canned tomatos, blackeyed peas, green beans, black berry's, plums, peaches, the jars were stuffed into every nook and cranny and calculated to last until the next year. After they retired and moved into town they still continued to garden. The front yard was tomatoes and a few flowers. The back yard was completely a garden they continued until well into their 80's. So for some of us the ability to live selfsustained is only a generation away.  And it's amazing how quickly we can lose those skills.
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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2010, 04:03:29 PM »
Bilmac,

If your soil has not grown dry beans before it would be useful to innoculate them with dry bean specific rhizobium bacteria.  Once a garden has the correct rhizobia for the plant it should be there for a long time. 

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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2010, 06:49:31 AM »
BeanMan;

The inoculant helps in the plant fixing nitrogen, right? What about use of fungisides/innoculants such as moly compounds? Are things available to treat nematodes in a garden size spot? What does nematode dammage look like? Been a real long time since I gardened or farmed, I just can't remember. eddiegjr
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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2010, 10:41:24 AM »
Nematodes chew on the roots. On a soybean they are elongated scars on the tap root, at least thats what is easily visible. The moly is to lube seed for a planter, the fungicide/insecticide might help with germination. If your seed is already pink I wouldn't bother as it has been treated at the factory.  Nematode resistance is what I'm familiar with, and is a breed property. Soil fumigants would probably kill nematode but you gotta want them killed pretty bad to go to that trouble. Your best bet is to rotate crops in your garden, nematodes have short legs, and won't move far as long as the soil itself doesn't carry them.
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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2010, 06:25:46 PM »
Eddie,

You are correct, rhizobium are bacteria that live on the roots of legumes and help 'fix' nitrogen from the atmosphere.  Sometimes an innoculum is needed to get the specific nematode needed.

Nematodes are usually specie specific for the most part.  A nematode that attacks alfalfa won't attack potato etc.  There are also beneficial nematodes.  Rotating your crops will be your best protection against nematodes as well as choosing varieties thate are bred for nematode resistance.

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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2010, 12:52:15 PM »
highmowingseeds.com Good folks to deal with. OP heirloom seeds that they raise mostly themselves.

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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2010, 04:29:51 PM »
bilmac  innoculant is a live nitrogen fixing bacteria that lives on the roots of bean plants and
fixes nitrogen from the air in the soil.  The soil is generally full of billions of all kinds of bacteria.
It would be best to innoculate every year because the few bacteria that innoculation puts in to the soil
get overwhelmed in a numbers game.  Its best to rotate your bean planting spot every year to avoid
buildup of fungus diseases and insects. 
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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2010, 05:44:43 PM »
Yes boys, beans are a legume and therefore there is some symbiotic fixation of nitrogen between the rhyzobia and the bean plant. Nothing cose to alfalfa.   Don't count on it being the only source of Nitrogen for the plant.  Again, what was said earlier about manure is good council, but be careful.  Anything more than 20 tons/acrea and that would be 900 lbs / 1000 square feet would be adding way to much salinity (salt).  Also consider that cured beef manure is about 21 lbs of N / ton of manure.  Cured manure ill release about 45-50% of the total N in year 1, 20% in year 2 and 10 % in year 3.  So round figures if you put down 900 lbs of N / 1000 square feet you can expect that to give you about 20 lbs of N in the first year.  Don't forget that you will also gain in phosphorus and potassium.  This is assuming you incorporate it.  SIDE NOTE>>>> Download for free the extension sheets from the land grant universities/the aggie colleges.  There is a ton of practical information on pretty much everything.  That and a free soil survey manual from your county will be some of the best info you will ever get.

I Digress.... Be careful about raising beans if you are planning on watering and not significant rainfall.  Irrigation leaves salts/salinity in the soil and beans are the least tolerant of all garden crops.  Best to leave the soil as tillable as possible during the fall, winter and early spring before planting to leach out as much of last year's salt as possible. 

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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2010, 05:59:13 PM »
I saw an ad on Glen Beck last night for survival seeds.  These are nonhybred seeds that can regenerate.  There may be something to having a few bags to be able to grow "your own" when the enevitable happens.  My gun can protect me and bag a rabbit, but  a person needs some vegies to survive.

If you live in an area where there are Amish or Menennite populations, I'd see their stores, because I don't think they use any hybrid.  I have worked out deals directly with some farms for a bushel of wheat or other items here and there. ;)
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Re: Survival Seeds
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2010, 02:01:48 AM »
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