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Offline Frog123

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Standin' at the brink
« on: June 26, 2003, 07:52:01 PM »
Here I am trying to build up the confidence to take that final step into traditional archery. I use to bowfish quite a bit several years ago with a second hand bear grizzly recurve until I forgot to unstring it and it delaminated during the night. I figure moisture got into a section that was chipped or exposed. Well anyway's about a year and a half ago I picked up another Bear bow, a Kodiak Magnum. The only problem is this bow is so short that the weight stacks fast and doesn't feel comfortable to me. Six months later I picked up a 60" take down recurve for a good price (another Bear, 53 lbs at my draw) I added the selway quiver off the Kodiak some brush buttons and string silencers and began shooting it often. I have a woodlot behind my house where I stump shoot and practice from a treestand at lifesize targets. I've been doing this for a while now and I can place my shots in the kill zone of my McKenzie inside of twenty yards. I have the bow, the arrows (build my own) and the accessories but when hunting season rolls around I hang my recurve up and get out my compound. I did it last season and I'm afraid I'll do it again this year. There are times when hunting with the wheel bow when I have deer very close and I wish I had my stick bow in my hands only I'm afraid of missing or possibly crippling the deer. What's a fella' to do in this situation??  How did you make the transition and take the "leap of faith"

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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2003, 12:36:39 AM »
My brother went throught he same thing.  He shot 3 arrows from my bow and bought his own custom recurve.  Sold that about a year later, went to a longbow.  Shot it all the time...didn't hunt with it.  Finally started hunting with it and sold the wheely bow.  

For him it was a question of confidence and perspective.  He had to finally start HUNTING (getting CLOSE).  With the wheely, he could line up the sights, pull the trigger and collect his meat.  With the longbow, he had to start hunting again.  Once he realized that hunting was more than shopping; once he realized the deadly ferocity of a 600 grain arrow with a cutting head; once he realized his new longbow was quite and deadly; once he honed his HUNTING skills...only then did he sell the wheely bow.

Since then he has ditched all the crap bowhunters carry: treestand, scents, powders, nuclear swingarm laser guided arrows, thermal imaging all weather pendelum tritium sights...you get the idea.  Started making his own arrows, strings, etc.  Went to the simple life.

See if there is a traditional group in your area.  Post on stickbow.com to locate like minded shooters in your area...talk to your local dealer.  

Welcome to the club! I've hunted in your part of the country...will be there again this year if everything works out.  Shoot a couple arrows every day...it takes a totally different level of dedication.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2003, 01:48:59 AM »
I bought a Great plains recurve about 5 years ago. It took me two seasons before i got up the nerve to use it. The first season I used it I never got a shot. The next summer I sold my compound at a garage sale. The second season I took a nice six pt. and last year I took three deer. My advise is get rid of the compound and take the leap. I would never go back to a wheel bow. Shooting traditional equipment is a lot more fun. I would have never went out stump shooting with my compound. Since I switched back to traditional equipment I've shot rabbits, even tried pheasants. Can't say I would have done either with a compound. Just practice a lot. I can shoot my traditional equipment just as good as I could ever shoot my compound. Just be careful, it can be very addicting!
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2003, 03:36:16 AM »
Yep, had this problem in 1986.  There is only one cure......sell the compound, so you can't fall back on it.....then you will have your leap of faith :)

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2003, 01:40:15 PM »
Been there. . . and done it.  Dont sell your compound.  Very few "instinctive" shooters are very accurate.  Sure they do alright sometimes on targets, but then again... I do not think that anyone should shoot any bow unless they know without a doubt that they can always put their 1st arrow into the kill area at their pre-determined shooting distance.  There are way to many bowhunters both compound and traditional that should not be allowed to shoot at a living creature.  Can you go out everyday and put that 1st arrow in the kill zone . . . I mean EVERYDAY? If you can't, then how do you know where that 1st arrow will be when you shoot at game with your heart pounding. when your cold and stiff?  I know there is tons of nostalia about traditional shooting and I did it for 10 years.  But there is more of it that is dreams than reality.  I know there are some very good trad. shooters/hunters.  But most that I have seen at shoots and such cant shoot worth a hoot.  They make one good shot and think they are Fred Bear.  Dont swallow what someone else says (including me) ask your self honestly what you are capable of. . . and then live with it.  Not meaning to be offensive, just what I have seen and experienced.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2003, 05:46:47 PM »
aint no way, no how.   no hunter can guareentee that he can put that arrow in the kill zone the first time,  everytime.   if it were possible,  it wouldnt be called hunting; it would be called killing.   and as far as saying instinctive shooters arent accurate,  hogwash.   i can make a monkey out of most shooters i meet.   and almost everyone i know in the traditional circle is an accomplished bowhunter.    the whole key is to know your limitations and try to stay within them.   when it's right, you know it.   and it doenst matter whether you are holding a trad. bow or wheel.   and hey, if you really dont know if it is the right thing for you to do;  dont do it,because you aint ready.

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2003, 11:43:47 AM »
Myronman3, I am not talking about the chance that a deer can jump the string or take a step forward etc... I am talking about the skill of the shooter knowing that he can put the arrow in the kill zone.  And I can guarantee that I can do that (at my predetermind distances that I shoot). The problem with discussions like this is that it is a hot button when someone like me brings it up. It gets real personal and that is not how I ment it.  If states enforced a law that all bowshooters had to pass a shooting test before buying a license, at what would honestly be considered a reasonable shooting distance of say 20 yards.  How many bowhunters (both trad and compound) could pass it?  I bet we would hear a lot of crying from a lot of bowshooters.  

And like I said, there are some very good trad shooters.  But not a large percentage of the total group . . . same can be said of compound shooters.  We have an obligation to the game animal and society to be better than the "average" guy.  Otherwise everybody loses.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2003, 04:22:10 AM »
Any Goal, Dream of makeing the gold metal with Bow and Arrow (by the way there is no age limitation on Olympics with Archery and it is done with a Recurve) can be achieved  long as you practice practice practice. You can give a person a rifle as well to hunt with but without practice  they wont be any good either, Any Traditional shooter will tell you the two keys factors are range estimation and plenty of practice.
 I like to get out practice stump shooting with my selfbow and recurve this way I can practice yardage estimation and shooting. also one arrow at the target is not good enough for me I like to shot at lest three arrows at the object while stump shooting. this gives me the various ranges and environment in which to practice with my Bows. yes those shorter bow are hard plenty of string pinch on your fingers. but real nice to manuver around in the brush if you are stalking. Good luck on finding a comfortable bow. and I know you will have fun shooting trad equipment .
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2003, 06:14:01 PM »
well longwinters-  i didnt get hot about it,  just stating the way i see it.   you forgot to mention 'the twig we all forgot to see that was in the way'  and 'misjudged distance'.   i think we can agree that if a person knows what they can do, and stays within those perameters;   that is being responsible.   good shooting all...

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2003, 03:01:55 AM »
I went to all traditional several years ago. To the gentleman that says instinctive shooters can't reliably hit their targets, I say bullsnot! I can't speak for anyone else, but going to all traditional has put the FUN back into archery . As a result I practice alot more than I ever did with a compound. Once I learned how to shoot the compound It seemed like a few weeks before the season was plenty good. I never wounded an animal so why practice more? With traditional I can't wait to go out and practice!  I say take the leap to traditional and get rid of all the trappings and accesories that go with the wheel bow. Simplify! I can't beleive all the crap I used to carry around with me!  I started making my own arrows out of port orford cedar a few years ago as well They are beautiful to look at and very satisfying to hunt with, I have had no problems with them at all. I hope to see you join the ranks of the traditional hunters,  
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2003, 03:24:13 AM »
Amen 107ch !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toast:
I shoot a 3D league with 20 others that all shoot compounds.
Some of them are great shots and many of the just can't shoot.
It's all about practice. I will agree with longwinters with the point that there are good and bad traditional and compound shooters. It really comes down to dedication and practice. I hate nothing mare than the moron that picks up his bow the day before season, shoots six arrows out of his bow from 15 yds. and declares that their ready for the season. I think you see this more with compound shooters because of all the gadets. It's just a lot easier to shoot a compound with sights. Thats why 90% of bowhunters shoot em. If you want to go to traditional equipment, you need to be a little more dedicated. Can Traditional shooters shoot just as good ? YES. If they practice!!!! I really don't care what anyone shoots as long as they show that they are serious about the sport.

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2003, 04:32:36 PM »
if you feel confident...go for it. respect your distances and know your limits and have fun. I have basically done the same thing...I gave away my compound because I am having too much fun with my longbow...I am to the point now where I can whack a pine cone at 20 yds at will..and do it pretty consistaly out past that...I feel that with the every other day routine i use...i shoot every other day ....monday, wed, thurs and sat..and shoot 50+ arrows...and I have no intention of going back...If you love it and get to where you feel comfortable...go for it...I practice at realistic distances and in realistic stances and conditions...(sitting, kneeling, standing, crouching..etc..)...if you want to know if you are ready...if not..use the wheel bow or a gun..there is always next year...
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2003, 01:53:33 PM »
This is why I shoot compond with all the fruit at the club,But I hunt with my long bow,At the club I have to shoot from a set distance and I try to hit my mark.In the hunting feild I get as close as I possably can and if I have any dbout I don,t shoot.My best shot with my longbow is at around
twenty yards then every thing just drops into place.Then even at this distance if I can get closer I do.I have taken birds out of the air with a longbow but I know I could not do it with my compond.I hunted with a compond for a few years but never got comfortable with it.The arguments
COMPOND V TRADITONAL will go on for ever but if you really want to hunt traditonaly then practice til ya feathers fall off an don,t take any shot
you don,t KNOW you can make.You will blow a few stalks trying to get closer but thats what comes with the style so you get used to it.Its really
up to you.It,s all good take the step...JACK :grin:
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2003, 07:55:27 AM »
First of all, let me state that what I am about to say is just my opinion not necessarily fact.

IMO, hunting with a stickbow is not really that much harder than hunting with a compound, especially if you have the advantage of a treestand. Both style bows have their advantages as well as disadvantages.

As for whether a stickbow is "adequate" well that is all relevant.

Remember, bowhunting is meant to be a close range sport. You are supposed to be good enough at setting up your ambush so close to the animal that pinpoint accuracy shouldn't be a huge concern. When you have set up correctly, and done everything right then when it comes time to shoot, the deer will be "right there" close enough to hit with a rock.

If you feel that you can't shoot a bow past a certain yardage, then don't shoot past that yardage. Just compensate for your range limitations by setting up your ambush for close shots.

I don't think that if game and fish thought that a bow and arrow was not adequate for deer hunting that they would allow us to legally hunt with a 35 pound minimum longbow here in Alabama.

When you start thinking along the lines of what's adequate and what's not, then it can start to look like only 300 magnums are adequate to make clean humane kills, and that can become a slippery slope.

I've been shooting stickbows for close to 20 years and have hung around my share of traditional shooters, and for a large majority it is just a passing fad. Somewhere along the line a lot of traditional shooters get it in their heads that they are "elite."

Where I come from, Navy Seals, Rangers, fighter pilots, and SWAT team members are elite.

Bowhunters, whether they shoot compounds or stickbows are just that "bowhunters." After all, it's just a hobby, and in a lot of cases just a fashion statement of wool shirts, leather quivers, and Fedora hats. :P
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2003, 08:50:15 AM »
I suspect traditionals aren't as elitism as has been suggested.  I've never heard one come into a competition or range and say, "Hi, I'm a trad and I'm better than you."  I have heard compounders say, "Hi, I shoot a Mathews and it makes me better than you."  So I suspect the compounders are the elitists but try to project that flaw on others.

Likewise, I've hardly every heard a trad denigrate a compounder for poor field shooting but I've heard compounders denigrate trads for poor shooting in competitions which they presume translates directly to field performance, even after noting that it's the first shot that counts in the field, not the subsequent ones that make the score in a competition.

Therefore, I'd have to conclude that the elitists are more than likely the same people who complain about elitists.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2003, 03:49:40 PM »
Old saying:
"I hear and I forget,
I see and I remember,
I do and I understand."


Along those lines, I suspect that if more people were "doers", and actually got out and practiced a discipline they enjoyed, there would be less insecurity, and more acceptance of each other...trad, compound, or crossbow.  To me they are all welcome.  Conjecture and skepticism are in my view, headgames, that you play on yourself.

In the face of the modern enemies of hunting, I'm sticking out my hand, and offering an honest handshake to all who hunt.  I would encourage everyone to do the same.

By the way my "leap" was to make my own longbow, so I knew I would cherish it.

All other hunting to me, is still valuable, still credible and still necessary as part of hunting, I will not talk poorly about any real hunter, hunters are my BROTHERS and SISTERS.
 My two cents.  JeffG
PS  If any doubt what can be attained with trad gear, watch Ricky Welch shoot on his videos.  I am not there, but I aspire to be. :D
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