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Offline Ramrod

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« on: December 11, 2003, 02:36:03 PM »
Folks,
Looks like my next gun might be a Flintlock Smoothbore, I'm looking at several kits right now. If I win the lottery or my kids move out, I might go Custom Built. (Yes I WANT a short range gun) Trying to decide between .62 or .75 cal. Anyone have one or the other and care to tell about it?
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2003, 04:07:11 PM »
I have a .72 American Smoothrifle.  Accurate to about 50 yards, but THE MOST FUN to shoot! I took a kid to the range a couple of months ago and he also got bit by the big bore syndrome.  I like the .72 because I can load it for deer, elk, or doves.  I enjoy getting REAL CLOSE, so the short range is not an issue.  .72 equates to a 12gauge.  Fiber wads, easy loading and available shot all make it fun to shoot.  I have "met" a bunch of folks that have the smaller caliber and they also love them.  I will say that my gun sure eats a lot of lead on each shot, but the good news is that you can use wheel weights...no rifling to engage.  The .62 was a common caliber "in the day", so it might meet your needs better if you are strictly reenacting.  They also don't eat as much powder or lead.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2003, 04:15:28 PM »
Well I will just tell you how tickled pink about what I got, about exactly one year ago.

I picked up a Pedersoli Brown Bess "Trade rifle" kit. To make a long story short I am really pleased. Touch hole was located good, kit was not hard to build, etc. Ignition is VERY fast and reliable. Love that big Musket lock. 1" flints! OOOORAH!

I put some old fashioned/timey rifle sights on mine, a full buckhorn on the rear, and just slotted the bayonet lug on the front and put in a blade. She'll group around 3.5" at fifty, and I can keep them on a paper plate at 85 yards. I'm very happy with a 85 yard kill-zone from a smoothbore. With a little more load development I might get that out to 95-100 yards which would really float my boat. At any rate, a properly loaded and sighted smoothbore is more than just a 50 yard weapon.

This thing shoots really tight patterns with shot. I have a Turkey load worked up, but could not get the Turks to come in close enough last season. This fall I took three grouse with it. I took her Elk hunting quite a bit, but did not get a shot at an Elk.
I sure like to carry it, it has super "carryability". Handles and balences so fine.

I'm using a .730" ball over 100 grains of FFg Swiss, and a thin pillow ticking patch. However, I believe a .725" ball and slightly thicker patch would be ideal. Boy a flint smoothie sure is easy to clean too.

In my opinion, I think you'd like a .75, it's 11 guage so it throws a really nice shot load. The .75" calibre really has some authority, no matter what your powder charge is. That ball weighs something like 585 grains!

If we were talking rifles, I'd say .62, but with a smoothie I think the bigger calibre is "more better". Buckshot loads, or even a load of .36 caliber balls is also an option with the bigger bore.
Brown Bess .75 calibre carbine, .62 calibre Jaeger, .58 Calibre slug gun.

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2003, 04:21:52 AM »
Ramrod,.... My experience with both the .62 and .75 "smoothies" purty much reflect what Bob and Super Rat have said. However be'ns I do a LOT of "Fur Trade Era" reenact'n, the .62 NWTG with 36" barrel, is my "riflegun of choice".
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2003, 03:30:49 PM »
Hey guys,
Thanks for the info. Not a re-enactor, no match shooting, just looking for
an all around fun shooting and hunting gun. My only smoothbore shooting experiance is with modern shotgun, and with slugs (40 or so deer) or shot (uncounted upland game) I don't see any difference in killing power at short range between the 12 and 20 gauge. I'm thinking that this smokepole choice is going to be more about barrel length. I'll go with the smaller bore in a longer barrel or bigger in a shorter one. Now if i could just make up my mind! :oops:
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2003, 07:11:56 AM »
Ha ha that is a tough decision!! Goooood luck. Yes, the .62's usually have a 36" or so barrel, and the larger calibre "Trade guns" usually are shorter. My Brown Bess carbine ("Bloody Bess") has a 31" barrel.

Of course you could always get a Brown Bess or Charville (sp?) full length musket kit, and cut it down to any length. (the french muskets are usually .69 calibre, which might be kind of a compromise between .62 and .75) I've sometimes thought that my gun would be more "perfect" with a 35-36" barrel, but again it really handles like a dream as-is. If it did have a 36" barrel, I'd probably be wondering if it would be better with a 31" barrel! I'm just like that for some reason.

What ever you choose, you can't lose, as smoothbore flinters are just too kool.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2003, 12:35:30 PM »
I built a North West Trade gun 5 or 6 years ago when I was into buck skinning, i shot about 25 -30 times, and then put it in the corner in favor of a 32 cal. flinter.  I just checked it's still there Dust and all. It was cleaned and oiled heavly.   Any how (sorry Graybeard, wrong fourm)  all I want is the parts money back, and I'll throw in a  Dixie tong type ball mold.  The stock is Wallnut. The barrel is .62cal and  41.375" long Octagon to round with wedding bands. the lock is a LOTT Early flintlock.  and has decorative tacks in the stock.

If you are intrested; drop me an E-mail. I can take some pictures, and zip them to you, if you want?

My address is    henthds@valunet.com  :D  :D
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2003, 03:15:05 PM »
I've met a "new friend" over the last couple'a days!!!!.... his name is DLH,.. :D
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2003, 03:29:32 PM »
I found this on another forum...you might want to take a look.

http://members2.boardhost.com/TradeBlanket/msg/4900.html
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2003, 07:13:59 AM »
DLH,.... "MO" headed yore direction!! :D

Thanks agin!!
rollingb
"Modern inline" is an old mountain-man phrase,... fer "butt-ugly club"!!