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Offline dakotashooter2

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« on: November 27, 2003, 07:10:43 PM »
Has anyone had any experience with one of these guns or heard any comments?  Because of school activities my 15 year old son is having difficulty finding time to deer hunt during the regular gun season. His schedule clears during the muzzle loader season and would allow him more time to hunt, so I am looking for an entry level gun for him to try. Since NEF handi rifles seem to have a pretty good reputation I thought this may be the way to go. I also have an encore which I could get a barrel for but it would cost about $100 more that a NEF.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2003, 06:08:21 AM »
I  have one and I like it not  a bad gun for the price. The sights are cheesy I am not impressed with them as the rear sight will not tighten like it should but they are drilled and tapped for a scope rail. I made a peep sight set up that will mount on the scope rail but now I have to get a higher front sight. A scope or red dot would be the easiest way to go or live with the cheesy sights. Besides the sights I think they are a great buy for the money. I suppose a better rear sight could be bought and used also. I have nothing against plastic sights if they work just on my gun the rear sight will not tighten like it should. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2003, 06:49:56 PM »
The NEF / H & R Huntsman is considered by many to be one of the best bargains in muzzleloading today-- with a strong, smokeless rated action and generally crisp trigger. Far better built than the hyped CVA Optima, which is little more than a Spanish clone of the Huntsman-- for more money.

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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2003, 03:23:01 AM »
I've never shot one with the ML barrel on it, I did shoot and handle a rifled slug model. I guess after all the posts I read about them being a good deal for the buck I expected more. This thing was pretty crudely built and handled awkwardly to say the least. It must have weighed 12 pounds, but seemed solidly built. Accuracy was pretty good at about 4 inches at 100 yards. Just wasn't a gun I could see developing any affection for.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2003, 04:30:27 AM »
http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/index.php?cat=1&subcat=29

Current production weighs about 6-1/2 pounds.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2003, 05:08:04 AM »
Quote from: RandyWakeman
http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/index.php?cat=1&subcat=29

Current production weighs about 6-1/2 pounds.


Like I said it was the slug gun I shot, it would seem there is huge difference in weight. Maybe they just added 6 pounds of ugly on this one!  :eek:
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2003, 06:33:47 AM »
It sounds like about what I am looking for. If it was for myself I would go traditional but as stated this is a starter for my son. Jim have you used sabots or maxi's in your gun?? What are your thoughts on the primer carrier. That is the only part I have some reservations about. I would probably scope it or dig through my junk box and find a better sight as I am not fond of plastic sights either.
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2003, 03:25:54 PM »
I shoot Lee REAL Bullets ( Conical Maxi ) out of mine and I have shot a sabot load and it shot fine but I like to be self relient so I cast my own. Today after I raised the front sight using tape to get a measurement I shot a 3 shot group at 25 yards in the center that was a cloverleaf.  :) This is better than I ever got with that red dot I had on it. But then I like peep sights anyway. Williams makes a peepsight for the Handi rifle that runs around 30 bucks for the rear sight and I am sure you can buy the front and rear sight together. for a few bucks more this is the way I would go if you have to use Iron sights. WI allows scopes but they have to be 1x which sucks  because 1x sights are pricy no cheap scopes when you need a 1x. or a red dot. I like red dots for fast shooting but am not impressed with them for precision shooting. I really do recommend the NEF they are one of the best bargains out there. I primer holders you can get lots of shots out of I have gotten over 30 shots on one with it not failing me. The primer holder is a great thing easy to use and with that tab sticking out you know you have a primer in there ready to go. You will not be disapointed if you get one. The only other thing I can add is that the factory ram rod I leave in the gun and use a other ram rod. The new synthetics are nice more sturdy. Though I made mine out of a dowl. Jim
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2003, 02:06:04 PM »
A friend on mine gave me one this year and it is one of the best values out there.  I mounted a 1-6 Bausch & Lomb scope and easily gets 1 to 1 1/2 inch groups using 100 grains of 777 and honady 300 SST bullets.  I have taken three bucks so far with this gun in MD and VA and  a friend on mine used it to taske his first two deer ever.  Open sites are poor as mentioned but mount a dot or low powere scope and it would be a great gun for a kid or someone not wanting to spend an arm and a leg.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2003, 07:57:31 AM »
:) Hi jh45; you mentioned shooting REAL bullets in your NEF, how are they for accuracy & are they the 250s or the 320 gr. ones? Also what powder & how much? I like conicals but haven't found one for my NEF 50 :D

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2003, 08:04:08 AM »
90 grains of 777 and I use the 320 grain if that is the heaviest in 50 I do not remember as I use them in the 50 and the 54. they work good for me.  I have not shot a deer yet but I loaned it to a friend who did and it punched through the deer completely with a quarter size hole comming out. Deer  dropped and got up and bulldozed with its back feet about 15 yards and dropped. It did the Job. I missed one last night I was shooting up a steep hill and did not aim low and shot over its back I figured as My sights are set high on the gun plus a slower heavy bullet makes more of a difference shooting at a steep angle from what I have read? Jim
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2003, 05:00:51 PM »
The NEF Huntsman is a good value.  It has a few advantages over other ML's in that they are reasonably accurate (I get 2" @ 100 yards with No Excuses 460's), light to carry and easier to clean than the bolt actions.

They also have a few drawbacks.  One is the telescoping rod that is provided.  It is easy to break and cumbersom to use.  I've never used mine, I simply bought an aftermarket rod.

Another is the breech plug tool.  It is difficult to use without modification, especially if you put a scope on your rifle.  This is easier to fix.  I would give you the link, but the HR1871 forum seems to be down as I write this.  Look for posts by "perklo".  

I find myself shooting my Huntsman ML more than my A&H 420.  One reason is that it's easier to clean.  This is probably important to someone with many other interests  and without a lot of time.

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2003, 05:40:33 PM »
You want to be sure to use the included ramrod per the instructions.....first load the bullet down as much as possible without extending, then extend and finish seating.   Sort of a pain in the rear but good enough for most field reloading. H&R could remedy most of the complaints by using a different mount for the forearm, one that would let the ramrod slide through and gain several inches of ramrod in the process.  The length gained would enable loading without an extension in a pinch and a simple T-handle would do the trick for other uses.

The factory sights are made of synthetic and easily broken or the adjustment screws stripped.  Other than that, they work.   :-)

The breech plug and tool could both stand improvement, but the tool dearly needs it.  The HR1871 Huntsman forum offers several methods to improve the tool for better function. (I'm going to try the Tetra grease on the breech plug).  I too made a couple of tools for use on the plug but the solution would be for HR/NEF to provide a decent one in the first place.

Other than the breech plug tool and the flimsy, too-short ramrod, and the sights which don't matter that much to me as I use a scope,  my only other real complaint is the design of the hammer.  Seems they only know how to make one claw-type hammer that sticks up far too high for ease of scope mounting.  

The SS model I own has one of the best factory triggers I've encountered - excellent!  The little rifle handles recoil amazingly well, far better than an Omega did in my hands.  It is quick handling, lightweight enough to really make a difference at the end of a long day, and most seem to do well with any number of different loads.  The barrel is quality and incorporates a very shallow cone-type of crown that works well for loading AND for accuracy.

If you buy one and intend to scope it, I highly recommend the H&R scope base and hammer extension which costs $22 to your door (last I knew).  

There is no rifle out there that couldn't stand improvement in one area of design or another, everything is a compromise - but the compromises H&R made on this Huntsman are offset by a good, solid basic design, a decent trigger, a quality barrel, and mostly by great performance.  My second attempt at working up a load was my last.  400 grain PR Bullet Ultimate 1 conicals went into 1&3/8" at 100 yards.  That sort of accuracy seems fairly common based on feedback at the talk forum.

H&R/NEF could make a few simple changes that would vastly improve the rifle's usability and I think most buyers would not resent a few dollars increase in the price tag (if needed).  Most changes would amount to little in additional production cost and  in some cases maybe even cost less.   Meanwhile, at about $140 for blue and $220 or so for stainless - it's hard to be upset with the rifle as is.

And, it's made right here in the good ol' USA.

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