3,200 fps in the 8x57mm!

[lgm270]

Interesting link to all-copper .323"  (8mm) bullets designed and manufactured in Europe.  This site shows a 139 all copper  .323"  spitzer H.P. that gets 3,200 fps.  and kills like Thor's hammer.  Kind of like turning your 8x57 into a .270 Win.

check it out.

http://lutz-moeller-jagd.de/English/8-mm-Bullet.htm

[mauser98us]

8mil Mauser does not need comparing to anything else. It stands on it's own!

[nomosendero]

OK 

[ratherbefishin]

I load my 9.3x57[necked up 8x57 ]  with 47 gr of 4064 and 286 soft nosed gr Privi partizans-it might break 2000 fps-but nothing standing in the way of that is going to be left standing..I'm toying with the idea of getting an 8x57,just because I like them-and for a supply of brass

[Mikey]

ratherbeen:  you should get a 8mm, they are plentiful, many mil-surps are in excellent condition and even if you get one that it not, it can always been turned into a tack driving sporter.  Let's see, a 139 gn 8mm slug profiles pretty much like the 125 gn 06 slug which is a easy 3k'/sec load, and even the 8mm with a 125 gn slug of its own clocks better'n 3100'/sec.  Even so, with the 8mm you don't need fast and light; my 196-200 gn 8mms at only 2500'/sec take everything I shoot at.

[bilmac]

Kind of an interesting concept. An all copper bullet would be pretty long, I wonder what the BC would be?

[ratherbefishin]

I have a small problem,the area I go moose hunting [BC -Yukon border] has a lot of grizzlies and while a lighter faster bullet would be fine for deer, andequite for moose, what I need is something with a lot of ''thump'',like when you have a moose down on a river bank in the thick willows and grizzly decides he is top of the food chain[ he is]
I do like the 8x57 though-and admit being partial to the small ring 96 swedes[yes,I know the 98 is stronger,but the swedes used very good steel and their workmanship is second to none-even today]Being in Canada,I'll probably be purchasing from Tradeex-they have a fine selection of Husqvarna's in excellent shape and at good prices-you can get a good 8x57 for between $200 and $250-less for one that needs restocking-and  a boyds laminate thumbhole looks interesting

[Mikey]

ratherbe:  the 98 is a better action and the Swedes made a lot of them in 8mm in sporter configurations.  If you want the 8mm you need not go with the 'it should work or it should hold up to it' concept when you can get the Swedish made 98s in 8mm.  I'll bet that the same folks selling the 96s also sell the 98s - when I ordered mine I simply asked for the large ring action.  I like my 96/38 in 6.5 but I like the shorter firing pin throw and cocking system on the 98.  They were all running around the same price, right in the range you mentioned. 

I left the original Swedish sporter stock on mine - it had a few cracks and dings but a bit of tlc fixed those.  I has a classic style to it that you would expect of a fine Swedish rifle.  Mine is eyeball accurate at 100m and the 196 gn S&B load at 2500'/sec is adequate for Moose and Bear, imo.

[Harry Snippe]

I have a small problem,the area I go moose hunting [BC -Yukon border] has a lot of grizzlies and while a lighter faster bullet would be fine for deer, andequite for moose, what I need is something with a lot of ''thump'',like when you have a moose down on a river bank in the thick willows and grizzly decides he is top of the food chain[ he is]
I do like the 8x57 though-and admit being partial to the small ring 96 swedes[yes,I know the 98 is stronger,but the swedes used very good steel and their workmanship is second to none-even today]Being in Canada,I'll probably be purchasing from Tradeex-they have a fine selection of Husqvarna's in excellent shape and at good prices-you can get a good 8x57 for between $200 and $250-less for one that needs restocking-and  a boyds laminate thumbhole looks interesting

I agree Tradex has a good section of rifles .Instead of one of the fine 8 MM offered why not check out some 9.2 x 62's  if your going in bear country ? I think a .366 vs .323 - the .366 would have a bit more thump on a bear then the 8MM . Why else would the farmers in Africa tend to have them ??

[ratherbefishin]

I know the gun writers are always touting the latest ''must have'' offerings but I am very impressed with the fine workmanship of some of these old European rifles and chamberings,and and for value-they just can't be beat and one thing can't be argued with -they have stood the test of time-on game

[Drilling Man]

  There's always someone "trying" to turn a cartridge into something it "isn't".

  DM

[kombi1976]

I've seen these before.
The performance is quite impressive.
To be honest though I would be just as happy to get my hands on the 125gr SPs that Hornady used to make as I find the 150gr SPs that all of the manufacturers make tend to pencil through soft skinned game like goats.
They're dead, that's for sure, but they don't necessarily know it and can wander up to 100yds in rough terrain before falling down even if you hit them in the engine room.

[454Puma]

Drilling Man
 I agree!  Fast and light isn't always a good thing!  That all copper bullet might make a good yote round maybe deer /lopes!    But I find they are way over priced for the benefits they give! 

[Brithunter]

Drilling Man
 I agree!  Fast and light isn't always a good thing!  That all copper bullet might make a good yote round maybe deer /lopes!    But I find they are way over priced for the benefits they give! 

" But I find they are way over priced for the benefits they give! "

You have just described the whole Barnes line up 

[nomosendero]

Drilling Man
 I agree!  Fast and light isn't always a good thing!  That all copper bullet might make a good yote round maybe deer /lopes!    But I find they are way over priced for the benefits they give! 

" But I find they are way over priced for the benefits they give! "

You have just described the whole Barnes line up 

Naw, 2 different matters.

[kombi1976]

Good point, nomosendero.
Barnes don't necessarily shoot well out of all rifles.
They're a bit picky.
They also cost a 2 kidneys and a small child, at least on this side of the pacific.

[Drilling Man]

Good point, nomosendero.
Barnes don't necessarily shoot well out of all rifles.
They're a bit picky.
They also cost a 2 kidneys and a small child, at least on this side of the pacific.

  AND worse yet, next week ? month ? year ? , they will change the design and you will have to start all over!  I dislike ANY company who just dumps their product on the market, and lets the public sort it all out for them.

  Mean while, my 200NP's will keep on keeping on, day in and day out, year after year, from box to box!

  DM

[Brithunter]

Hmmm although I have not checked but I very much doubt that they even import the 8mm Partitions in the UK  anyway my sole try with Partitions in a 6mm and .243 with some I picked up accidently  teach me to be in such a rush thought they were Balistic Tips.

Anyway none of the loads I tried shot with any real usable grouping. I'll not waste the money again on them.

Never seen the need for the Barnes rips off.

[lgm270]

Interesting pic of 100 grain copper flat point in 8x57.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4260594/8x57_JS

[kombi1976]

That's an interesting bullet.
A little like the Woodleigh Hydrostatically Stabilised bullet....


A friend used them in his 450/400 NE 3" when buffalo hunting in the Northern Territory here in Oz and it was super effective.
They look a dangerous game only bullet but Woodleigh makes them in 308, 338 and 358 as well as the major cals from 9.3mm on up.
They even make a 235gr for the 375 Win.
Hopefully as they work them out they'll make a suitable pill for 8mm too.
Here's the info on them:
http://woodleighbullets.com.au/products/hydrostatically-stabilised

[lgm270]

I've seen these before.
The performance is quite impressive.
To be honest though I would be just as happy to get my hands on the 125gr SPs that Hornady used to make as I find the 150gr SPs that all of the manufacturers make tend to pencil through soft skinned game like goats.
They're dead, that's for sure, but they don't necessarily know it and can wander up to 100yds in rough terrain before falling down even if you hit them in the engine room.

Interesting post. Do you have any experience or observations of the 7.65x53mm (i.e. 7.65 Argentine)?  This is .311" and can use 123-125 grain bullets also used in the 7.62x39mm.   Any thoughts on their use in the 7.65 for deer?  Would they get comparable results with the 125 grain SP in the 8x57? 

[kombi1976]

lgm, I intended on trying those pills out with my 8x57 but it was only just ready for shooting when Hornady pulled them from production.
Every 8mm reloader I've ever encountered has bemoaned this fact, especially a mate in Alaska who deliberately made a short throated 8x57 exactly for the purpose of loading those bullets.
I haven't personally tried the 7.65 although it looks like an interesting cartridge.
The only similar round I intend to get is a 303 Brit and I think I've spoken before about the large frame 1908 Martini Enfield action I have that will be made in a 303 Brit.
I've asked people about the effectiveness for 303 Brit of the 7.62x39 123gr-125gr SPs you speak of and they all gave positive responses.
I can only think that they would be effective enough with accurate shots on small to medium sized deer.
A friend uses the Winchester 125gr SPs in his 308 Win and it would have to be a similar bullet.
It's a good load for goats although even those he found were not always a bang-flop guarantee in every instance.
He had to put 5 into one billy to kill it and all were accurate!

[Brithunter]

Hi Kombi,

        The lightest Soft Point bullet I know of in production for the 8mm is a 139 Grn one from Privi Partizan:-

http://www.prvipartizan.com/search_b.php

They do make a 123 grn FMJ as well as you can see on that table from their web site. I will have to enquire witht eh importers here in the UK and find out if they can get some or even stock them................... yeah right OK I am dreaming that they have them in stock  .

[kombi1976]

Looks interesting, BH, but I bet I couldn't get them for love nor money here in Oz. 

[Brithunter]

I don't know if they are available here as yet either.. The politicos seem to be dong a bang up job of stiffling the trade in componants what with the posting and shipping restrictions.

[kombi1976]

Here in Oz one nazi feminist who was in charge of the post office decided they would refuse to carry firearms by registered mail, something that has been done since the post office was founded. The dealers were up in arms......and then discovered the part of the constitution that stated that there had to be a service that transported all goods too each of the states. The decision was reversed quick smart and she was found another position......