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Model 71 348 Winchester
« on: December 27, 2010, 03:15:32 PM »
Wondering who here is into Winchester model 71.My father owned one and I now own it.Luckily I have a set of dies and accquired alot of brass and bullets.My dad already had the dies and quite alot of hand loaded ammo.Had a guy give me alot of brass.The rest I purchased at a good price.Some at a flea market and on sale at Cablea's.I got the bullets,Hornady at a local shop for $9 a box.That is because he had 11 boxes.So I packed alot of that stuff away.It is the plain model not deluxe.The gun was used but is in pretty nice shape for how much use it has seen.

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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 04:43:17 PM »
They are nice rifles, a slightly modernized copy of the Winchester 1886.  Back in the 1980's I bought the Browning copy.  Took it hunting one time in Maine, just so I could say I killed a buck with it.  Fired it 3 times, twice to make sure where it was hitting, once to kill an unlucky fork horn.   Later sold it to a collector who wanted it for his safe.

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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 04:53:20 PM »
Always one of my favorite rifles.  Dreamed of owning one when I hunted really big game like bear, elk and moose.   ;D

I'd get one now, but only after a '95 in 30-06 or (preferrably) 30-40, and an '86 rifle or lightweight!   :D
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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 03:39:46 PM »
Looked at a few of the Brownings and thought about buying one to use.The one have has been used so why not use it.I only took this hunting one time,season after my father passed away.I shot a buck a little low and foward on the first  shot and removed a front leg.It was on the run and wasn't used to peepsights.Second one did the trick.Planning on hunting with again one of these days.

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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 12:57:06 PM »
For me they're the holy grail of lever rifles!  Every so often I get an itch to own one and search diligently but have never stumbled on one at the right time.  Bought a number of desirable and interesting rifles in the meantime but still no 71.  But when I walk into one that's right I'll make the case that it's karma and own it.  Congratulations on owning an heirloom.  Shoot it!  -WSJ

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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 09:50:51 PM »
I inherited one from my FIL.  After he died my MIL asked me to check out the "moose gun".  Knowing my father-in-law, I was expecting an old Rem or Win bolt in 30-06. Was I ever surprised to see an M71 Deluxe slide out of the gun case!  But he had fished commercially in Cook Inlet and I think he kept the gun in the boat some. Its a bit scratched up and worn but good shape. Took me a lot of work to get all the old oil and crusted gunk cleaned off of it - stained but no pitting. It had Redfield peep on the rear. I was working a lot with this gun in 98-2002 thinking about hunting with it more. When I went to take off the peep just to clean things up, I found that the mounting holes must have been drilled with a hand drill -crooked and partially stripped - very ugly  :'(. I could not reinstall the site with any faith it would be sound.  I suspect the site had been held on with permatex!  Jeepers!!!  I hauled it in to Wild West Guns in Anchorage for a proper installation. I'm not sure if they drilled the holes out or made new ones. Its on solid now but I know a lot of the value of this gun has been compromised.

I haven't worked with it much for a while now. Recoil is a bit tough and the cases stretch quite a bit when I get close to max loads.  I have thought about getting a replacement butt stock from Gun Stocks Inc so I could install a nice recoil pad.

I've shot 1 caribou with the gun and would like to take a moose some time. I've hoarded up brass, bullets, even bullet moulds sizer, gas checks for it. It shoots pretty well. Even have half a box of ancient Win 150 silvertips for it. The price tag on the box is something like $5.65!  I shot a few to chronograph. I sure wouldn't use them on caribou or moose.

The Barnes 250 and 220 are good in it  and Hawks work well too.  But Barnes changed the nose shape and cannelure location at some point and I had to rework my loads etc. to get them to feed right.  I don't like the newer profile versus the bullets I got in the early 1990's.  

I shot the caribou with Hawk 180's and a light load of Rx 7 - too light. 2 shots to the shoulder took the animal very slowly. I now stay with 200+ and heavier bullets. I have good luck with 4350, and 4831 powders.  Need to try Rx19 according to a fellow 348 fan.
But our caribou herd has collapsed and moose are too hard to find to risk missing a longer shot with this gun.  So it stays home or may ride along as a backup.
Also our moose season weather is usually lots of rain and I'm not eager to soak this gun down when I have a stainless 300 mag.

Its fun to have the gun and I still hope to use it if the right conditions present. Still would like a recoil pad. Slip-ons make for a long pull but I us it for the bench.
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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 06:33:16 AM »
A few weeks back I woke up with a need to own a Model 71 in 348 Winchester.  I am a big fan of the Browning High Grade 1886's and I ran across a picture of a Browning 71 High Grade Carbine with a 20 inch barrel. It looked to me like a perfect wood walking rifle or saddle scabbard rifle.  I began searching for one and ran across several on the internet for sale.  One in particular had great wood, was listed as "like new in the box" and was within my budget.  So I made arrangements to have it shipped.  Since then I have posted my experience and I thought I would share some of my thoughts here.

Day 1:
Well, the journey begins. Last evening I picked up my new (to me) Browning 71 High Grade Carbine in 348 Winchester. It was exactly as advertised, excellent condition and "as new in the box." In fact it came in the original box and it appears to have never been fired, yet. It was late when I got home so I did not get to thoroughly examine it until this morning. It has beautiful highly grained walnut for the stock and the color of the forearm is a great match although not quite as highly figured. One of the most pleasant surprises was to find that this carbine is factory drilled and tapped for a receiver sight. My Browning 1886 SRC and Rifle, both High Grades as well, are not set up for receiver sights. My first chore, after cleaning the bore and exterior was to install a Williams receiver sight that I had on hand, remove the rear sight, install a Marbles dovetail slot filler and remove the hood over the front ramp and bead. I bore sighted the receiver sight, using my Laserlyte bore sight and then headed out to try a few rounds. I had loaded 20 rounds of 348 WW brass with WW LR primers, 52 grains of H-4895 and 200 grain Hawk JFP bullets. I am guesstimating the velocity of just over 2,400 fps. I set up a target at 25 yards and it took 4 rounds to get my sight adjusted to hit 1/2 inch high at 25 yards. I then backed off to fifty yards to try a a few three shot groups. All of my shots were a little over 1 1/2 inch high and slightly right of center. My best three shot group was a neat cluster that I was able to cover with a quarter. I will try to snap and post a few pictures tomorrow. I think this may end up being my new favorite saddle gun and woods walking companion. I am really impressed with the 348 Winchester. I have been studying ballistics and it looks like it shoots mighty flat out to 225 yards with a 180 yard zero and should work great for deer, hogs, coyotes, feral dogs etc. One other side observation. I have always preferred the look of a straight grip and a full length magazine tube on a lever action. I have to say that the pistol grip on the 71 is very comfortable to shoot and the balance of this carbine is quick and lively.

Day 5:
I am loading the 165 grain Hawks using new WW brass, with Winchester LR primers and 55 grains of Reloader 15, for just under 2,600 fps. This load gives me great accuracy out of my Browning 71. (DISCLAIMER) This is my load that I picked up off the Load Data web site and I make no claims for it being safe or accurate for anyone else. (END OF DISCLAIMER)

Day 20:
I have taken two coyotes with it so far and both were anchored right where they were hit. One was just behind the left shoulder on a broadside shot at 93 yards, according to my range finder binoculars. The other was trotting angling away from me at about 60 yards and I misjudged the lead. I caught him pretty far back. The bullet travelled up and froward to the back and top of the rib cage. His hind quarters were kicked around and out from under him. He was dead by the time I walked over to him. Both shots struck bone at some point and both of them exited the animal. The exit wounds were impressive.

Day 22:
I am impressed with the Hawk performance on coyotes, but I wonder if they would be tough enough for hogs and would guess they would damage a lot of meat on deer, based on how they performed on coyotes.

Day 29:
More activity with my new Browning 71. I got a crack at another coyote this afternoon. He was facing me at 130 yards. I know the distance because he was standing at the back fence just inside the tree line. One shot and he dropped right there. He was right around 50 pounds. I hit him with a 165 grain Hawk, 348 started out at 2600 fps. I recovered the Hawk just under the skin on the left side in front of the bone of his hind leg. Looks like pretty good performance to me.

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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 02:57:49 PM »
That is one really nice looking saddle gun.Never saw the High Grade model in person.Those bullets look to perform pretty good,they are pricey.I have a bullet that my dad shot a deer with,225 Winchester Silver Tip.He had made a PA. heart shot on a deer at close to dark.It was a really nice buck he had been chasing all day.The deer was going away and all he saw was white.He found the bullet just under the hide in the chest.It wasn't mushroomed as much as your Hawk bullet.Of course it had just gone through the entire length of a deer.Nice gun!

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Re: Model 71 348 Winchester
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 03:11:09 PM »
Thanks, I could not pass it up when I saw it.  The Walnut is pretty nicely figured.  The Hawk 165's have a pretty soft core and a moderately light jacket.  This one mushroomed  to just under an inch at .948.  I heard today that Winchester is going to offer a model 71 in 348 Winchester again this year.  It will be built by Mirokou.  It will have the tang safety and the rebounding hammer.  Too bad about the lawyered up additions, but it looks like good news for possible continued production of factory ammo.