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.45-70 dies
« on: February 06, 2011, 05:34:53 AM »
Since the .45-70 is more or less a straght cartridge, does that mean they can use carbide dies like my .357?
I would also think the .45-70 wouldn't require case trimming either, is that right?
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Re: .45-70 dies
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2011, 06:44:05 AM »
Quote from: GH1 on February 06, 2011, 05:34:53 AM
Since the .45-70 is more or less a straight cartridge, does that mean they can use carbide dies like my .357?
I would also think the .45-70 wouldn't require case trimming either, is that right?
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It's a straight case, but I do not know of any carbide dies for it. But you are correct, its not one that needs allot of trimming. Generally its lower pressured and without an expander ball in the resizing die, it doesn't get "pulled" longer when resizing...

Its a easy to load for caliber!!

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Re: .45-70 dies
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2011, 07:00:19 AM »
If it doesn't have an expander dies, how difficult is it to seat the bullet?  And since there are no carbide dies available I'm going to neeed cast lube, right?
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Re: .45-70 dies
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2011, 11:03:26 AM »
it will have an expander like a pistol die set. and you will need it.  from what I understand there are no carbide dies because even though it is "straight" it actually is tapered. 

you will do good to load for the .45/70. I never have shot factory ammo for mine but I have looked at the prices and they are out of sight.
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Re: .45-70 dies
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2011, 11:15:10 AM »
Quote from: GH1 on February 06, 2011, 07:00:19 AM
If it doesn't have an expander dies, how difficult is it to seat the bullet?  And since there are no carbide dies available I'm going to neeed cast lube, right?
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Not a expander...an expander ball in the resizing die. In a bottle neck case loading die there is a slightly under caliber sized "ball" that gets pulled back thru the nect to give final size. This is where many cases get streached by incomplete lube and why many cases need to be trimmed. Straight cases generally do not have this.

IIRC in RCBS the 45-70 is a group B set. meaning its a three die set, resizer, expander/mouth bell and a seater die.

YES, you will need to use case lube.

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Re: .45-70 dies
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 01:05:35 AM »
Thanks for the heads up gentlemen, looks like I'll have to bust out the case lube.
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Re: .45-70 dies
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 01:33:21 AM »
1) the 45-70 is not a straight wall cartridge, it does have a taper, which is the reason there are no carbide dies for it, like there are for the 45LC, 44mag, 357mag,etc.

2) I do believe at one time there was a site posted here that produced a carbide die for the 45-70, but it could not be used as a true carbide sizer, since it would still require lubing, due to the case taper.
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