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Offline hiker270

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Favorite flints???
« on: December 19, 2003, 11:21:01 AM »
Anybody have any suggestions on their favorite flints??? Have heard of one called Dura Flint, Anyone ever try these?? :)

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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2003, 12:06:33 PM »
I have tryed dura-flints,.... now I use nuthin-but,..knapped English flints!! :D
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2003, 02:23:12 PM »
There are those that like dura flints...as I have not tried them I cannot give you an informed opinion.  I will however say that nothing but the best english flints will ever be used in my guns.  

Shooting a flintlock is not a sure thing, nor should it be.  It takes a degree of dedication to make a gun work.  It takes an understanding of how to maintain your piece...what needs attention and when.  If I drop a few shots at a match, so be it.  I should have planned better.  If I'm out hunting and my piece fails to fire...IT's MY FAULT!  

Part of my hobby is applied archeology...using the same tools the same way...finding what works and what doesn't.  To me, it's more important that I learn how and why things work rather than punch holes in a piece of paper.  If I wanted higher reliability,  I could use a percussion cap, or one of those new fangled cartridge guns.  (Personally, I don't think THOSE things will ever catch on.)

Shooting a piece of paper better than someone else means nothing to me if I find a "modern" shortcut.  BUT, when I posted a 98 on the range with my smoothbore flinter...I walked a little taller that day.  

GOOD ENGLISH FLINTS...get them at TOW.  I buy mine in Colorado every time I get out there.  There is also a trick to picking flints...it's not rocket science but it IS important to consistant ignition.  I can get 150 shots from one flint!  As this post is already a bit long, give a shout if you want to hear more...if not, good luck and shoot straight!

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2003, 02:49:00 AM »
Hicker270 I've tryed all sorts of flints that are out there yes even dura flints and german agets but still comeback to good old english flints  tow has them and they are a cheap investment too and they work :D
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2003, 03:15:29 PM »
English gun flint is my choice after 50 years of flint gun shooting.

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2003, 04:48:30 PM »
:D Bob/Fla.                Hey.........ya started to tell us how to pick flints.........what happened.  Feel like someone took my book before I got to the end of it.................English is the only way to go..........stay safe....I buy the flint nodules from Dixie and make my own..........stay safe.................King
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2003, 08:14:02 AM »
The original post was kind of long and picking flints is a bit long also...I figured if anyone wanted to know they would ask.

Picking Flints:
1.  They should be of correct length and width.  The leading edge should be the same width as the frizzen face.  The length should be such that it doen not touch the frizzen face when the piece is at halfcock.  

2. They should have no inclusions on the leading edge...best if they have no inclusions.  An inclusion is a discolored line and is guarenteed to break at that point.  I have several flints with inclusions on the top, bottom, and back of the flint.  This will have no detrimental effects.  

3. The top of the flint should be flat.  Many flints have a top that looks like the peak of a roof.  This is not desirable as the jaws of the hammer will not hold the rock securely.  

4. The flint should be of sufficient thickness as to be held securely in the hammer jaws and increase durability.  If it is too thin, the jaws may not tighten enough to hold the rock.  

5. The leading edge must taper nicely to the flat top.  The back edge should have some taper.  If the taper is too long, the leading edge will be too brittle and not hold an edge.  If too short, it will never take a cutting edge.  Some flints taper on both edges. Sometimes they work pretty well, as you can use both edges when shooting.

6. When striking the frizzen, the leading edge shatters a bit.  After a number of shots, you will have to dress the leading edge to maintain a good spark.  The best way I have found is to cut the tip off a nail and put a 1/32" shoulder on it, 1/4" from the now blunt tip.  Put the shoulder on the leading edge and tap the head of the nail with the handle of your knife.  This should flake off a small portion of the leading edge, sharpening it.  Please do not use a knapping hammer.  This will destroy your rock in short order.  

7. Determine which way the rock is placed to get a good spark.  Most guns like the flat top up, others like it down.  I found that flat up works best until the rock startes wearing down.  Then I can shoot it one way and just flip it over and keep shooting.  Remember, the leading edge shatters on each shot.  By flipping it over every once and a while, it is almost self sharpening.  I had a flint with a long back edge once and got over 150 shots from one flint!

8. Place a piece of leather in the jaws to hold your rock.  The jaw screw should pass through the back of the leather, holding it in place.  Cut to fit while in place.  Grease with bear oil, or your favorite patch grease.  The purpose if to keep it water resistant.  Lead was used for military guns, but is very destructive to the rock and hammer.  It takes a hell of a lot of pressure to hold it in place with lead.  The leather absorbs some shock and protects it better than lead.  

9. Store your flints in a clean, dry environment.  Rock does absorb water (ie: river rocks).  I wrap mine in a piece of leather and wrap tightly, so the leading edges do not shift and wear each other down.

10.  Always give some away.  Someone will need one and won't know crap about buying flints.  Give one to them and show them what to look for in a rock.  

NOW you know why I didn't post this with the original :-D
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2003, 02:55:46 PM »
I agree, all things considered English flints are "best", and sure do look right.

With Swiss Powder, and the English flints I've been getting from October Country, I'm getting the fastest ignition yet, so fast it's almost scary!

I've bought flints from various places, but these ones from OCTOBER COUNTRY really work great. I really like the way they are shaped/knapped, and it could be my imagination but they seem to last longer too.

I would say that shooting a flintlock IS a sure thing, and that they will go off every time. At a shooting match, or at the range, when they get dirty and the flint gets dull you might get a miss, but I believe a clean gun and clean and dry frizzen and sharp flint, and clear touch hole will always go off.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2003, 03:39:47 PM »
Quote from: Super Rat

I would say that shooting a flintlock IS a sure thing, and that they will go off every time. At a shooting match, or at the range, when they get dirty and the flint gets dull you might get a miss...


Isn't this a contradiction?  Not trying to make a stab, but even cartridge guns don't go off every time.  Bad primer, no powder, frozen bolt, etc.  As I have written before, and as you noted above, it pays to know and properly care for your piece.  

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2003, 04:06:15 PM »
Please see: http://www.muzzleblasts.com/vol4no1/articles/mbo41-3.htm  for instructions a knapping tool similar to the one I described.

Here's another using a nail as I described.
http://members.aol.com/illinewek/faqs/tuning.htm

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2003, 06:33:02 PM »
Oh I agree, I guess I meant as sure as you can be about anything in life.

Yes, even a cartridge gun is not a sure thing in that sense. I've certainly experienced miss fires and hang fires with them. One could argue that with a cartridge, there's no quick way, in the field, to know if there's powder in there, or if the primer is good.
With a flinter, you know (should know) if you put the powder in or not, and you can visually inspect if the touch hole is clear, flint sharp, frizzen clean/dry, etc., so, maybe a flinter is a MORE sure thing! O.K. I'm stretching here.

I often tell non-muzzle loaders that a miss fire with my percussion rifle is no more likely than with a modern firearm, and I'm sure most don't believe me.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2003, 02:09:00 AM »
pax
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2003, 11:37:16 AM »
Bob/FLA?  That wouldn't be Bob Spencer now, would it?
If so, I would say we have been joined by one extremely savy gent!

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2003, 04:38:35 PM »
Nope...Bob Burns
But still a savy gent :-D
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2003, 05:52:15 AM »
I never tried Dura-Flints.  I use English flints.  I don't have any complaints, so I figure why fix what ain't broken.  

I think a lot of the fancy do-dads for flintlocks are attempts at making up for a poor quality lock.  I've got a Jim Chambers roundface lock.  I prime with FFg.  The only trouble I've had has been the pan flashing but the main charge not igniting.  This is becoming less and less frequent as the Whitelightning liner is getting broken in.
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