Unlike Graybeard, I think the Speer 180 gr FP is a great bullet, but only loaded to velocities higher than the 2095 fps of the BVAC ammo. The 180 gr is a tough bullet, and it penetrates deep, and it works better at velocities around 2300 fps from the muzzle. Right now I am loading the 180 gr Speer to 2400 fps out of my 20" barrel 336 RC. Works great on whitetails.