Just picked up a Knight Vision last month, after a friend let me shoot his. The deciding factor was the fact that his gun came with the bare 209 primer, breech plug, and the accuracy of the rifle. Both our rifles shoot cloverleafs. Still trying to decide load, currently using both 2 & 3 pellets of T7, will probably end up using the 100gr load (cheaper). If you take the time to read the instructions, the gun is easy to take apart & clean, almost as easy as my H&R/NEF Huntsman/Sidekick muzzle loader. On the plus side, this gun is stainless & has a synthetic stock. Bottom line, what's not to love?