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TENN bill would make following sharia a felony.
« on: March 01, 2011, 07:57:22 AM »
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EmailPrint..By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II, Associated Press Lucas L. Johnson Ii, Associated Press – 54 mins ago
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Tennessee is considering making it a felony to follow some versions of the Islamic code known as Shariah, the most severe measure yet put forth by a national movement whose members believe extremist Muslims want Shariah to supersede the Constitution.

The bill — drawn up by conservatives with ties to opponents of a planned Islamic center two blocks from New York City's ground zero and efforts to expand a mosque 30 miles southeast of Nashville — would face steep constitutional hurdles if enacted.

Nevertheless, it represents the boldest legislative attempt yet to limit how Muslims worship.

Muslim groups fear the measure would outlaw central tenets of Islam, such as praying five times a day toward Mecca, abstaining from alcohol or fasting for Ramadan.

"This is an anti-Muslim bill that makes it illegal to be a Muslim in the state of Tennessee," said Remziya Suleyman, policy coordinator for the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition.

The bill's sponsor, Republican Sen. Bill Ketron of Murfreesboro, said the proposal exempts the peaceful practice of Islam but seeks to condemn those "who take Shariah law to the other extreme." He said it would give state and local law enforcement officials "a powerful counterterrorism tool."

Ketron, who has successfully pushed through bills tightening restrictions on illegal immigrants, said he expects the Shariah measure will become law.

For now, supporters of the measure are working to bolster it against any constitutional challenges, which may be an impossible task, said First Amendment Center scholar Charles Haynes, who called it a "really distorted understanding of Shariah law."

"It's unconstitutional to even suggest that such legislation should be passed," he said. "Trying to separate out different parts of Islamic law for condemnation is nonsensical. Shariah law, like all religious law, is interpreted in a great many different ways."

Shariah is a set of core principles that most Muslims recognize as well as a series of rulings from religious scholars. It covers many areas of life and different sects have different versions of the code they follow.

At least 13 states have bills pending that would bar judges from considering Shariah in legal decisions, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures, but none of those proposals is as strict as what Tennessee is weighing.

Ketron said he and House Speaker Pro Tempore Judd Matheny, R-Tullahoma, were given the bill by the Tennessee Eagle Forum.

Eagle Forum state President Bobbie Patray said it was drafted by David Yerushalmi, an Arizona-based attorney who runs the Society of Americans for National Existence, a nonprofit that claims following Shariah is treasonous.

Yerushalmi has written for years in conservative media about what he calls the danger of Shariah and its central role in Islam. He has represented Pamela Geller, who leads the group Stop Islamization of America and is one of the most vocal critics of a planned Islamic center two blocks from New York City's ground zero.

Yerushalmi also represented Stop The Madrassa, a group that opposed a public school in Brooklyn established to teach Arabic language, culture and history. He is one of the contributors to the report "Shariah: The Threat To America" by the Center for Security Policy, a think tank led by Frank Gaffney, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration.

Last year Gaffney testified at a court hearing on the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. The hearing was intended only to determine if local officials violated the state's open meetings law in approving the site plan, but the mosque's foes used the opportunity to argue it was part of a plot to expand Shariah law in the U.S.

Yerushalmi said the legislation in Tennessee is clear about who's being targeted.

"The legislation simply states that Shariah that follows the law of jihad, which calls for the violent overthrow of the Tennessee and U.S. government, is the Shariah that is at issue," he said.

Sarah Thompson, a spokeswoman for the Islamic Society of North America, disagreed.

"The way that it's worded makes the assumption that any practice of Islam is a practice of terrorism," she said. "And that's a dangerous line to walk. It excludes the millions of Muslims that are practicing peaceably from the ability to do so."


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Re: TENN bill would make following sharia a felony.
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 08:41:07 AM »
Another fine example of wasting time and energy over something that couldn't happen anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 08:44:12 AM »
gotta agree kind of a waste of time . We have laws already on the books that cover.
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Re: TENN bill would make following sharia a felony.
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 09:38:16 AM »
This sort of poorly thought out mumbling gets Conservatives in trouble every time.
 
 Now if this was a radical left wing, it would be applauded by the talking heads in the mainstream media.
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Re: TENN bill would make following sharia a felony.
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 10:29:58 AM »
They must have a surplus of  money and time in Tenn.  This will a) not get passed (my guess) or b) spend a decade in the courts getting overturned at tax payer expense. 

Typical of ideologues on both sides...

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2011, 05:44:22 AM »
They must have a surplus of  money and time in Tenn.  This will a) not get passed (my guess) or b) spend a decade in the courts getting overturned at tax payer expense. 

Typical of ideologues on both sides...

Exactly.  The same exact constitutional amendment that makes this law unconstitutional, also renders it completely redundant in the first place.  You can't make laws for a religion (ie, this law is completely unnecessary), or against a religion (this law would be found unconstitutional). 

All it serves as is something for politicians to grabs votes with. They know it won't stand up but they still get to appeal to a certain segment of voters and say they were trying to "do something".  All they were really doing is campaigning with tax dollars.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011, 06:53:48 AM »
Why then are these types of things not thrown out as frivelous? Do the  courts go along with it so the attny's involved can improve their records and/or bank accounts? Wouldn't that be corruption?

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2011, 07:07:09 AM »
Why then are these types of things not thrown out as frivelous? Do the  courts go along with it so the attny's involved can improve their records and/or bank accounts? Wouldn't that be corruption?

Courts and attorney's are involved in challenging a law.  They have no part in creating them.   Politicians create the laws - many times they are not valid legally, but a court can't throw anything out until it's brought to them.

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Re: TENN bill would make following sharia a felony.
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2011, 07:55:14 AM »
laws like these are passed after politicans see the voters turning aginst them or to grandstand. Its like gun control laws comming out after a shooting when the politicans should have passed laws to help mental ill people and protect the rest of us from them to begin with. The doors of America we swang open to any and all now we have a problem and instead of fixing the illegal immigrant problem we are passing laws to stop a religion.
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Re: TENN bill would make following sharia a felony.
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2011, 08:04:24 AM »
If a law is passed like this, it could simply read that no shariah law shall supercede the Tennessee or US law.  No jhaid, no honor killings, women would have to show their faces for drivers license, etc.  Women could drive, etc. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2011, 08:18:52 AM »
If a law is passed like this, it could simply read that no shariah law shall supercede the Tennessee or US law.  No jhaid, no honor killings, women would have to show their faces for drivers license, etc.  Women could drive, etc.

By doing that though it's specifically legislating against a particular religion.  That's not constitutional.

Now, if it made them feel better, they COULD instead word the bill to simply read

"No religious law shall supersede Tennessee or US law".

or even better

"No governmental entity shall enforce any religious law, nor exempt the practitioners of such laws from the consequences of secular law."

That covers the same bases but without singling out a particular religion.  Of course, since the first amendment already says pretty much the exact same thing, the law is completely and utterly redundant, except as a feel-good measure to draw in voters.