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Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« on: February 19, 2011, 03:59:20 PM »
Of course we aren't talking about ourselves, but do any of our friends or aquaintances offer a coyote a last meal, or maybe just a sniff of a last meal just before they pop them? What do the friends "serve" them?
(in case you ain't getting it; is it illegal in Alabama to bait coyotes?)
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2011, 06:40:15 PM »
As you know baiting just plain isn't legal in Bama PERIOD.

I've never tried it on anything cuz I'd rather stay legal as opposed to getting caught it's all for fun not food anyway. If however you found a spot on farmland that had the remains of a farm animal disposed of as a normal farming practice I'd not think the law would call that baiting but am not sure.

I have a friend in PA who has a bone pile where he dumps the remains of the deer he kills each fall plus the two hogs and one steer he butchers for food each year. He has a game cam there and sends me photos all the time. Darn seldom does a coyote visit and never on the hogs but they do at times visit the beef remains.

I think calling would be your best bet.


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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2011, 11:58:12 PM »
I know it is illegal to bait for everything else except fish.
I have heard it suggested to hunt coyotes near a deer gut pile in the woods.
Was going to try that once, but by the time I got back a few hours later, there was nothing left but a stain.

Its probably a face-to-face question with my local game warden, if I ever see him.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 01:31:53 AM »
You want a coyote to walk by where you're waiting, is that it? Take a can of sardines, punch some small holes in it, drag the can along a ridge top road or other area like that where it's known to have a coyote population. Find a good hidey hole that you can see good, drop off the can with the smell oozing out of it and wait a while, they will trail it in and you're only feeding them scent. Doesn't hurt to have a good varmint call to entice them close to your scent trail, but beware, those creatures pick up on things really fast and it doesn't work there the next time around.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 02:58:35 PM »
I. The Law
 Section 9-11-244 prohibits the baiting, feeding and simultaneous hunting of protected game animals and birds to the extent that the feed material constitutes a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area being hunted.
 Regulation 220-2-.11(7), further establishes a ten (10) day waiting period after feed has been removed before the area may be hunted.


http://outdooralabama.com/hunting/faqs.cfm


There is no bag limit nor a closed season on the critters, and no night hunting with firearms.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 01:05:11 AM »
So does that law mean that varmints which has no closed season to be included as a protected game animal of a varmint? I'm thinking that a varmint that has no closed season wouldn't be a protected species.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 01:15:31 AM »
Almtnman - I was thinking like you, but I recently heard someone say that all animals in Alabama, except livestock, are protected game, so what you see in the seasons and bag limits is what you are "allowed", but what you are restricted too.

Someone, please tell me what I heard was wrong, because that means you can't kill a snake or a snapping turtle.

I guess its like they say about the IRS - everything is deductible til you get audited.
I suppose its best to ask my local game warden his feelings about it.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 03:38:39 AM »
Does this go State by State, or is there something Federal that pertains to it?  We've got plenty of coyotes around here now, and guys hunt them--but usually they do it by finding a place where they pass through, or finding a dead critter, and then sitting, waiting, and popping them from the other side of a meadow.  A couple of friends of mine hunt them from the edge of cornfields.  When they get one, they leave it, claiming that coyotes will eat their own dead. I've never heard anybody make reference to baiting them any other way.   I've only hunted them once myself, on the edge of a friend's cornfield where he had shot one earlier. but none arrived at the carrion that day.  My hunting is generally woods hunting, and I've never seen one in the woods.  In the spring, though--I can hear them in the middle of the night, howling over by the edge of the woodline across from the Christmas Tree plantation that is behind my back yard.  It will wake one up.  It goes on for a while, then abruptly stops. 

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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 05:04:13 AM »
Hunting regs are state-by-state.
Some states allow bait.

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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 08:10:05 AM »
Good to know. I thought so, but didn't know if some tree hugger had gone national with something the way this thread was progressing.  Never can tell these days.

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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 03:11:28 PM »
The only 'yotes that I've shot were eating deer guts. I dunno if that would be baiting or not, as it was where someone had field dressed a deer and left the guts in the woods. I really don't think the C.O really cares, as long as you don't shoot at night.



I could be wrong, though. ???
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 03:30:57 PM »
I was wondering about deer guts.
I guess technically it could be baiting, since the piles are technically man-made, or at least man-placed.

Tom, you nailed it; does the CO really care?
Good face-to-face conversation to have.
They have some discretion in where they go and what they do.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 04:55:40 PM »
can  you bait a rat trap???

if they are going to split hairs or  rabbits
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 05:03:25 PM »
Bait a rat trap?
Might be a moot point; there is no open season on rats.

Unless rats are considered livestock. :-\
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 05:14:43 PM »
I know it is illegal to bait for everything else except fish.
I have heard it suggested to hunt .........

Its probably a face-to-face question with my local game warden, if I ever see him.


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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2011, 06:35:34 PM »
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Someone, please tell me what I heard was wrong, because that means you can't kill a snake or a snapping turtle.


Now that I think you can take to the bank. Both are illegal to kill in Bama. When I went thru Hunter Ed class with Faye to help prepare her to begin hunting I was shooting the bull with the Game Warden who was speaking that night. Some how the subject of killing rattlesnakes came up. Could be cuz he was the manager of the WMA in which I hunted most often and had killed a bunch of snakes in.  ;D

He made it quite clear that killing them is illegal and he's have to arrest me if he ever saw me do that. He sounded quite serious about it not said in a joking manner at all.

At least some of the snapping turtles are protected dunno if all are. I'd not advise getting caught messing with one by any LEO and especially not a game warden.


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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2011, 01:09:14 AM »
Well there ya go...that's the kind of info we need to share.
We all hear about the turtles being predators, and assume its okay to shoot them.
I guess the rattlesnakes at the rodeo in Opp are livestock.


BTW - here is something I found from NEW YORK's website:
Turtles - The only turtle species for which there is an open hunting season are the snapping turtle and the diamondback terrapin. You may not harvest, take, or possess any other turtle species at any time.
Snapping Turtle: A small game hunting license is required to take snapping turtles. The only legal implement for taking snapping turtles is a firearm or a bow. Open season for snapping turtles is July 15 through September 30 and the season is open statewide. Hunting hours are any time of the day or night.The snapping turtle's upper shell (carapace) must measure 12 inches or longer in length.The bag limit for snapping turtles is 5/day or 30/season.
Snakes, Lizards, and Salamanders - You may not harvest, take, or possess any native snakes, lizards, or salamanders at any time.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2011, 03:35:43 PM »
And when I lived up there salamanders were some of my main bait......
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2011, 04:01:49 PM »
Careful....you could be extradited to New York.
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Re: Is it customary to serve a coyote a last meal? legal in Ala?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2011, 02:55:09 PM »
Kicking, clawing and screaming. It would not be pretty...
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