Author Topic: Rossi '92 jams (Read 1142 times)

Black Jaque Janaviac · « **on:** December 16, 2003, 07:07:36 AM »

Ok, I know this has been hashed and re-hashed. But ifn ya don't mind, what is the fix fer Rossi '92s that let 2 cartridges slip out of the magazine tube?

I don't have too much difficulty with the stove piping. It's mainly when using a shorter cartridge, the magazine tube sends one cartridge out onto the lifter, but then part of a second one slips by.

What causes this? What's the fix?

Prof. Fuller Bullspit · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2003, 09:25:36 AM »

Try shimming the cartridge guide. The right side guide (looking down into the action from the top-rear) is the easiest. I used a strip of aluminum from a soda can.

DB Leath · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2003, 10:14:25 AM »

thats good info right there....mine had a spring broken under the lh guide.....

Prof. Fuller Bullspit · « **Reply #3 on:** December 16, 2003, 10:59:47 AM »

Was that broken spring the cartridge retention thingy (that's a technical term) spring? It bears against a pivoting lever or finger that helps hold the next cartridge in line in the tube until the lever is actuated.

If that spring is broken (or installed backwards) then you will find that cartridges will want to pop out of the tube before the carrier is down and ready for it. It's a good idea to check that!

DB Leath · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2003, 12:06:44 PM »

That was it Prof...I had put it in backwards....amazing how when things are put back together properly they work just fine...

Prof. Fuller Bullspit · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2003, 05:48:10 AM »

Re-reading the original post, I'm more inclined to suggest checking the spring under the left cartridge guide. The shim suggestion helps if there are two cartridges popping out of the top of the action.

Black Jaque Janaviac · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2003, 06:03:30 AM »

That's what I was wondering. It looked like you guys were giving me the right answer to the wrong question.

I don't have a problem with the lifter over-tossing the shells.

The problem is with the magazine tube spitting two shell onto the lifter. This of course entirely locks up the whole works because the lifter won't lift. That's because there is a shell sticking halfway out of the magazine tube.

I have to take a stick and push the shell back into the tube in order for the lifter to carry the other cartridge up.

Those guides work fine, like I said, I don't have problem with stovepiping or anything like that.

DB Leath · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2003, 10:26:34 AM »

Oh ok....what it might be then is there is a locating button on the lifter....if that is missing or if ya are shootin really short ctgs...like 38's in a 357 or 44 specials in a 44 mag it can give ya fits. Check and see if thats there.
dB

Black Jaque Janaviac · « **Reply #8 on:** December 18, 2003, 11:48:16 AM »

Short ammo that's it.

Any solution to this? Or do you just have to avoid short ammo?

What I don't understand is why the little cartridge stop that holds the cartridges in the tube allows more than one cartridge past. It's under spring tension, so as soon as the first cartridge goes by, I would think the stop would spring out and block the next cartridge.

Yes, the little burr or button is present.

DB Leath · « **Reply #9 on:** December 18, 2003, 05:56:35 PM »

Not sure how to overcome the shortness of the ctg causing trouble...maybe have a gunsmith add another one of those bumps a bit further up....Maybe load em a little long for the ctg.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2003, 06:03:18 PM »

The problem Black Jack is experiancing is caused by the cartridge stop. The assembly may be dirty, the spring may be weak, broken, installed wrong, or the stop itself may just be worn.

Try this, push the stop to the side with a screwdriver or pencil and then let it spring back, It should SNAP back into place under the mag tube opening. If it comes back slowly you've a spring or dirt problem, if it doesn't come back the spring is broken. If it snaps back then you've have a worn stop and it needs replaced.

A lot of these guns will function perfectly with no cartridge stop at all, if the AOL of the ammo is jist right! Strange but true! :shock:

WD45 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2003, 04:48:49 AM »

Cutts Crooked...
If the cartridge stop is gone what would keep the next in line from getting caught under the lift ... or am I missing something

My jam problems have been the shell kicking to one side and the lift jams.
I have had to pry the back side of the cartridge into the center of the lift and then the action will close. This seems to happen mostly after loading and that 1st one does not come out straight

( this is on a rossi 92 45 LC )

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #12 on:** December 24, 2003, 01:49:04 PM »

WD45,

The cartridge lifter itself will stop the next one from coming on out. Both of my 92s have a lifter that is thick enuff to prevent a cartridge from getting underneath it.