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Offline Tom H.

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how much can an AR15 barrel be shortened?
« on: April 04, 2011, 12:15:35 PM »
This is a fairly specific question.  Due to the type of gas system ( I know that it varies between the carbine length and rifle length barrel and that the gas block to muzzle distance is critical ), how much can be cut off of a barrel before functioning becomes a problem?
I was forced to take 1/2" off of a rifle 20" barrel due to an issue with a muzzlebreak.   
Can an adjustible gas system take care of the problem or is that approach questionable?

Thanks

Tom

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Re: how much can an AR15 barrel be shortened?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 12:18:17 PM »
For sa while Bush Master had a rifle barrel that looked like a 20, used the 20" forend abd had the same sight radius as the 20 but was 16" long.
i guess anything is posible.

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Re: how much can an AR15 barrel be shortened?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 08:54:14 PM »
I'm not totally familiar with the AR platform but know that the critical part is the length of the gas tube.. One of the things one can do to improve reliability of a CAR is the pigtail style gas tube..they provide more gas to the action. The rod activated actions would make this a non problem. The question evidently is the amount of gas contained in the tube.. A bit off the front should have a minimal effect.. Watched a local SWAT teams working with select fire CARs many years ago on a local range. They certainly were grtting a lot of practice clearing jams from their weapons.. I suggested the pigtail tubes to the commanding officer as we hatted. He later emailed a thanks after trying the suggestion..
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Re: how much can an AR15 barrel be shortened?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 02:06:47 PM »
Tom, I don't think cutting a half inch off will make any difference at all.  Just have the barrel chucked in a lathe, trim it and recrown the muzzle then, if needed, rethread it. 

If you do have cycling issues after shortening the barrel that much (very unlikely) it will usually show up as a failure to feed.  The bolt carrier needs to go rearward past the point at which the case ejects to pick up another cartridge from the magazine.  Since any problem from the shortening of the barrel is most likely a drop in barrel pressure before the bolt gets a long enough energy impulse to fully cycle a feeding issue is typically the first sign of a problem.  The next is a failure to eject followed by a failure to extract.

If you get cycling issues after shortening the barrel beyond the gas block you now have a rifle that is not getting a long enough duration to the gas pressure impulse and an adjustable block may help but the more likely solution will be to have you gunsmith use a tapered reamer to slightly enlarge the gas port to let a larger shot of gas into the gas tube. 

Hope this helps.

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Re: how much can an AR15 barrel be shortened?
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 03:00:23 PM »
Thank you for all of the replies.  I cut off the offending brake and recrowned.  Did have some issues at first but turned out to be mag related of all things. 
The rifle does work  - for the time being.  Hopefully it will continue to do so.

Cheers

Tom

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Re: how much can an AR15 barrel be shortened?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 09:19:58 PM »
The gentleman who sorta got me into gunsmithing once told a youngster looking to solve feeding issues in a semi-auto.. If the guns got a box magazine and it's not feeding, always suspect the magazine first..overall it'll save a lot of time.
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