TAXES...The rich should pay more..

[Buck-Ridge]

Redistribution isn't fair or right up or down. I'm not rich but very close to half my income goes to taxes. My wife and I both work and always have and we don't overspend. But it's discouraging to always have the threat of being taxed more. The tax code needs to be changed so that everyone pays. I don't care how poor you are you need to share the burden. And the rich need to pay taxes too. There are too many loopholes. I'm for a flat tax and elimination of the income tax.

[sidewinder319]

Income tax is not all about money.  The income tax law allows for incredible control over the American public.  The IRS is the most powerful police force in the world. The government uses the audit to intimidate its enemies.  The most powerful criminals have been brought down by the IRS.  Millions of innocent Americans have been rendered hopless by the IRS.  You will never see the end to this system.

[gypsyman]

Nobody, even the rich, should have to pay more tax's. Govt. should spend less. They're creating more jobs that don't produce, or serve. Our local school system, just eliminated 3 administrative jobs. And, several teaching positions. Funny, my kids are still being taught, no kids have been kicked out of the schools because of lack of teachers. Bus service has been eliminated at the high school, but somehow the kids still make it there.
I just read where the IRS has hired a couple hundred more workers, to find out where they can scrape up more money. Maybe they should start in Washington,DC. That'll keep 'em busy for a couple years! gypsyman

[ironglow]

IG>   TM; you said all that above..and still didn't say a thing ! Especially, you didn't explain as asked,  what "mutual fairness" is...

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My apologies IG,,,,I will try to dumb down my responses in the future...   Point is there is plenty of writings on 'mutual fairness', natural order, and other related topics you deny or aren't aware.....from Christ, Ghandi, de Torqueville, Jefferson, Rousseau, and so many many more...one of the highest endeavors of man to consider this topic...NOT DENY OR IGNORE IT. One reason we have a Consitution to perserve human rights, in fact.

Such considerations were one reason our tax system was 'progressive' for along time, beginning with the last 40 years the entire 'tax burden' is now essentially flat_ _actually regressive. SO, How's that working for you?...you seem to be complaining more than ever, got no money, paying more tax and the economic system is not too good for the average citizen ... yet you want to keep doing more of the same. 
Let's see ....that's the definiton of _________?

...TM7
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   Obviously the tax burden is not"flat"..the top 1% still pay 40% of the federal taxes.while the bottom 50% pay virtually none...some in fact, by way of the misnomer.. "earned income tax law" are collecting funds other people earned.  Hardly a "flat" tax rate !
     BTW;   You STILL have not defined your "mutual fairness" doctrine..
   Sure, you did some name-dropping...  Jesus, Ghandi, De Toqueville, Jefferson etc...but you still did not define your idea of "mutual fairness" and who mdecides what fairness is..
  ....And you need not attempt to lecture myself or the typical Tea Party member about the Constitution...it is what we live by !

  To the contrary, our struggle is against trhe liberals, who are continually trying to subvert and subtend the Constitution .

   So;  in your world, just WHO decides what "fairness" is ?

[Hooker]

TM
I think that  "Mutual Fairness" is confused  with "Mutual Freedom".
You would think that these are the same but they are not. For society to work it must promote freedom not fairness.
Fairness can only be agreed on by multiple entities, society is a singular entity. No singular entity can decide what is fair by it's self.
Jesus taught appsolutes , the freedom to choose and the consequences of those choices in no way did he promote fairness.

Pat

[magooch]

No simple flat tax that I've heard of is that simple and the fairness of any new tax scheme must be viewed from the perspective of what presently obtains.  Also, all of this talk about "employment tax" and property tax and sales tax and so on is not pertinent to the subject of income tax unless you want to have a tax system such as the one Newt Gingrich once proposed where no one would have to pay more than 25 per cent of their income in all taxes combined.

At present, if most folks actually do a simple math problem and figure what the per cent of their income their income tax represents, they will find that it isn't that much.  Not that I'm saying we should be paying more, but be very careful not to embrace a plan that says something like, "we should all pay a flat 10%", or as some plans have stated--a flat 17%.  Either figure would amount to a huge increase in what the majority of actual payers, pay.  The upper earners would be the beneficiaries of any flat tax I"ve heard of and hey that's fine with me.

[billy_56081]

I'm for a real flat tax. Everyone pays one hundred bucks a year taxes. Now that is fair to everyone.

[magooch]

Billy, you might want to run that past those who receive that "earned income tax thingy."

[ironglow]

  Indeed Magooch !  The problem of course is that those who receive that "earned income tax credit" ...and get it in real dollars, didn't earn those dollars at all...others did ..

[magooch]

Yeah, and what is with this idiotic advertising that must be costing millions to inform the masses that they too might be eligible to receive some free guvmint money?  Even our stinking Governor has an ad telling people they might be able to get up to $5600 in EIC if they make less than $48,000 per year.  If the stupid government can't give it away, they piss it away on ads.