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Offline Curt Dawson

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A story my dad told me.
« on: April 24, 2011, 11:46:22 AM »
My dad told me that when he was a boy on the farm in Ind. back in the 30's and 40's that they kept a 73 Springfield trap door. They shot 410 bore 2 1/2" shells thru it. How feasable would that be with a Handi-Rfle in 45-70? If the chambered was opened up to 45-110 brass could I shoot 3" 410 bore shells?
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 02:48:42 PM »
The 2 1/2" will fire in a lot of 45/70 chambers. The problem is poor performance and getting all the plastic out of the rifleing.Note the .410 and 45colt are closer in case shape than the 45/70 and hense the .410/45colt and not 45/70. In most all cases just because the shell fits (308,243,7mm08) don't mean its a OK to shoot. The .410 is very low pressure and a no harm no foul
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 03:07:22 PM »
I think there were some '73 SF forager guns (smoothbore). That may be what they had, or a shot or rotted out rifled bore, or even one with the rifling full of crud from shooting shotshells.
You would be doing the rifle a favor by just buying an inexpensive 410, or better yet, a 20ga.
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 04:10:13 PM »
Curt,

I think shooting 410 shells in a 4570 will result in a lot of semi burnt powder in the barrel and very poor velocity.  The approx. diameter of a 410 shotshell cup (this is also the gas check to seal the bore) is around .41" and the bore diameter of the 45/70 is .458.  Also, if the shot cup does engage the rifling it will start to spin and will result in  a "smoke ring" shot pattern which isn't much good for hunting.  Also, you have a firing pin alignment problem because the base diameter of a 410 shell is about .48" and the base of a 45-70 is .505". 

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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 06:36:41 AM »
Back in the '30s and '40s there were no plastic shot cups so no worries about getting plastic in the rifling.  As pointed out, there was probably a lot of blow-by.  It may have been used for close shots at critters out by the hen house or shooting dragonflies out at the pond...

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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 06:59:21 AM »
During the depression you made due with what you had or could afford. My father also used a trapdoor as a shotgun because he was able to buy it for a dollar, said he could not find a shotgun that cheap. To bad he was not able to buy a truck load of them at that price!
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 07:12:55 AM »
A little off subject so I apologize, but has anyone tried firing 45LC thru thier .410 handi?
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 07:15:18 AM »
Plastic in the rifling won't hurt anything.
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 07:35:10 AM »
OldFart as has been said many times it is not a good practice to fire .45 bullets out of a .410 you may get 1 to shoot you may get 50 down the tube but it only takes one to blow up to ruin your day. Now if you had your own mold and you were to control the size...but with the price of the right bbl for the right bullet it just ain't worth it. kurt
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 07:41:42 AM »
Quote from: Old Fart on April 25, 2011, 07:12:55 AM
A little off subject so I apologize, but has anyone tried firing 45LC thru thier .410 handi?

A .410bore Handi has a bore of .410".   A 45Colt bullet is .452".   See the problem?  Then figure in the constriction at the choke where that .410" bore gets even smaller.  You will likely turn that smoothbore shotgun into a hand grenade.

Shooting a .410" diameter shot cup through a .450" diameter bore isn't a problem, but the reverse is.

Those guns on the market labeled 45Colt/410 are 45 Colt guns with a long chamber.  Shooting smaller objects out of a bigger bore is rarely a problem.  But swaging a bigger projectile through a smaller hole is always a problem.
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 07:51:47 AM »
Alright guys, thanks.
I wasn't really considering it, just seemed I'd heard something like that once.
Figured it would be easier to ask than wade thru all the info out there.
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 08:27:47 AM »
I hope you give it up just for safety sake!

Like someone said above it only takes once, and today there are so many options and choices when it comes to calibers it's just not worth taking even a small risk.

Back in the day most rural folks used what they had and made due, and when they shot it was to put food on the table and they didn't shoot just for the fun of it.

I know this from learning to hunt from my father who lived thru it, and he would never shoot at anything and waste a shell/cartridge unless he knew that it was going to be for food for the family.
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Re: A story my dad told me.
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 01:28:53 PM »
When I was a kid we also shot 2 1/2" 410 shells out of my Grandpa's old Trapdoor.  Range was poor, and it scattered like mad.  But it killed Rabbits and Squirrels, if you got close.  The bore looked smooth, no rifling seemed to be left at all.

When we got older we decided to get some 45-70 ammo.  After being fired the bore looked like new to us.  We used it to hunt Deer for several years.  Unfortunately it was in the house when it burned.
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