Author Topic: Bolton says gun control top priority for the obaminations 2nd term. (Read 5677 times)

lakota · « **Reply #90 on:** May 10, 2011, 06:44:29 AM »

According to my friend everytime he fills out the yellow form its flagged and he has to wait no matter where he buys a gun. This happened in Ohio

lakota · « **Reply #91 on:** May 10, 2011, 06:48:48 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on May 10, 2011, 06:41:04 AM

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Ha! Tell my friend that. Years ago he broke up a fist fight between his wife and step son. Step son got mad and called the cops. Friend got arrested. Judge laughed at the kid and threw the case out. No conviction. Now when my friend goes to buy a gun iti s a fiasco that takes weeks to sort out simply because he was accused of domestic violence at one time.

Looks like he is still able to have firearms however. Several people I have known that are prone to domestic violence, including my brother, should not be able to have big blunt objects, sharp objects or firearms in IMHO and should probably have their hands bound most of the time.
GuzziJohn

Yes he can still own guns but why should his right to do so be delayed because some snot nosed little punk teenager got mad at him for pulling him off his wife and called the cops years ago?

ironglow · « **Reply #92 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:07:58 AM »

Quote from: The Famous Grouse on May 09, 2011, 09:27:41 AM

Guys, guys, guys. C'mon now, let's look at this rationally.

So someone not even connected with the current administration (Bolton) and, in fact, someone who has political leanings in the other direction (a Republican) says the current administration is gonna go all gun-grabbin' on us? And we're supposed to jump up and start waving our hands in the air and start squawking like hysterical chickens?

Knock knock. It's reality at the door. Let's take a deep breath.

1. First, let's go back to our civics lessons for a second. The Obama administration CANNOT pass anti-gun legislation--or any other legislation for that matter.

The President belongs to the Executive branch of government. He can ask Congress for anything, but he can only sign into law the legislation that CONGRESS (the Legislative branch) passes. Any anti-gun laws above and beyond what's in place now would have to come from congress.

Now excuse me, but last I checked the House is controlled by a Republican majority and the Senate has such a thin Democrat majority that just deciding on what will be served for the Friday special in the cafeteria requires 4 committee meetings and 2 weeks of negotiation.

2. If you actually look at the voting records, position statements, and NRA rankings in an objective way, you'll see that Democrat does NOT equal Gun Grabber. The fact is that many Democrats are strong supporters of gun rights and hunting rights. This fact makes passage of any anti-gun legislation even more unlikely.

3. Politicians on both sides of the aisle very rightly fear the political power of gun owners. We watch these things, we contribute money, and we vote. With the elections being closely contested in so many states these days, no matter how much of a crazed anti-gun nut job you might be, as a Congressional candidate you are NOT going to pick a fight with gun owners.

Gun rights are current a third rail political topic. You touch it, you get zapped. In a political atmosphere where no Congressional seat is safe, sticking your head up and shouting, "Ban all the guns!", is about the dumbest thing ANY politician could do. And they know it.

4. Remember that third branch of our government? The Judicial Branch. Well, the Supreme Court just last year finally gave us the ruling that we as gun owners wanted: Gun rights are an INDIVIDUAL right.

This ruling has put the anti-gun forces in total disarray. The implications of this ruling are so broad and deep that I can't even begin to speak to it here, but safe to say that the primary weapon that gun-grabbing locals politicians have used for years--the local gun ban ordnance--has now been declared to be illegal. The bottom line is that even if anti-gun legislation would get through congress and Obama were to sign it, it would be instantly headed for a hearing in the Supreme Court where it would almost certainly be smacked down.

As gun owners, we're going ourselves a disservice by running around squealing and waving our hands in the air like hysterical ninnies every time someone shouts "Gun Ban!" in the service of advancing their own political interests. We need be calm and rational and do everything we can to counter the MondoMedia's stereotype of the gun owner as an unbalanced Rambo Rednecks who are ready to shoot first and ask questions later.

Support gun rights groups, support politicians who believe in the Second Amendment, do EVERYTHING you can to promote the positive image of shooting sports and hunting, and get the next generation involved in them. Focus political discussion on the real problems that are impacting our country: Government debt, unemployment, a sluggish economy, illegal immigration, and other real problems. Simple as that.

Hysterical, paranoid, and reactionary behavior plays into the hands of the enemy. That's exactly how they WANT gun owners to look. Let's calm down and play the game from a position of strength rather than rampant paranoia.

Grouse

We could jump through all the hoops... and hope to keep an anti-gun president from crushing our gun rights and maybe he won't get a house to back him or perhaps a senate to won't favor him or maybe the Supreme court won't back him.. and then again, he may "luck out", and get the lineup he craves. So, why take a chance ?
Let's simply not vote for any person , or party which shows the least bit of a tendancy to curtail our constitutional rights !
Pretty simple; as I see it ! ..And the liberal gun-grabbers already in office.. Throw the bums out !!!

lakota · « **Reply #93 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:11:33 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on May 10, 2011, 07:07:58 AM

We could jump through all the hoops to keep an anti president from crushing our gun rights and maybe he won't get a house to back him or perhaps a senate to won't him or maybe the Supreme court won't back him...But why take a chance ?
Let's simply not vote for any person , or party which shows the least bit of a tendancy to curtail our constitutional rights !
Pretty simple; as I see it !

Well put. Simple and directly to the point.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #94 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:32:06 AM »

Quote from: The Famous Grouse on May 09, 2011, 09:27:41 AM

Guys, guys, guys. C'mon now, let's look at this rationally.

That's a tall order for some

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2. If you actually look at the voting records, position statements, and NRA rankings in an objective way, you'll see that Democrat does NOT equal Gun Grabber. The fact is that many Democrats are strong supporters of gun rights and hunting rights. This fact makes passage of any anti-gun legislation even more unlikely.

True. Repubs would like us to think otherwise

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As gun owners, we're going ourselves a disservice by running around squealing and waving our hands in the air like hysterical ninnies every time someone shouts "Gun Ban!" in the service of advancing their own political interests. We need be calm and rational and do everything we can to counter the MondoMedia's stereotype of the gun owner as an unbalanced Rambo Rednecks who are ready to shoot first and ask questions later.

Yep.

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... Focus political discussion on the real problems that are impacting our country: Government debt, unemployment, a sluggish economy, illegal immigration, and other real problems. Simple as that.

Yep.

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Hysterical, paranoid, and reactionary behavior plays into the hands of the enemy. That's exactly how they WANT gun owners to look. Let's calm down and play the game from a position of strength rather than rampant paranoia.

Grouse

well-stated.

powderman · « **Reply #95 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:37:40 AM »

IRONGLOW. Good post, but as we all know, the obamination has chosen his supremes carefully just to do his bidding and destroy us. POWDERMAN.

lakota · « **Reply #96 on:** May 10, 2011, 09:44:17 AM »

The 2nd amendment is in good hands here I see. There is no threat posed by democrats. Plus the Supreme Court is on our side! They affirmed our right to keep and bear arms in a land slide 5-4 ruling! Nothing to worry about there! Keep voting democrat! They will uphold the 2nd amendment! While you are at it go touch a hot stove again. It may have burned you last time but there is no danger this time!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #97 on:** May 10, 2011, 10:18:27 AM »

Obama can use executive orders and the BATF to:

1) Curtail imported guns like Browning, Winchester, Bereta, Benelli, C&R foreign military weapons. He already has for old M1 Garands and Carbines from South Korea.

2) Curtail imported ammunition.

3) Use OSHA or some other government agency to have unnecessary safeties or locks on guns.

4) Use EPA to strap gun manufacturing in some way.

5) Limit handguns.

6) Outlaw semi-automatics. Guns wouldn't be outlawed but just certain ones.

Lots of ways to restrict ownership.

7) Require fingerprinting or liscensing of handgun or other gun owners. Not gun registration, but gun owner registration.

etc, etc.

Democrats traditionally are for gun control. Republicans traditionally are not. Dems are usually elected in liberal big city areas which want more gun control. Republicans are usually elected to small towns and rural areas which do not want gun control.

DDZ · « **Reply #98 on:** May 10, 2011, 12:07:30 PM »

2. If you actually look at the voting records, position statements, and NRA rankings in an objective way, you'll see that Democrat does NOT equal Gun Grabber. The fact is that many Democrats are strong supporters of gun rights and hunting rights. This fact makes passage of any anti-gun legislation even more unlikely.

Not all democrats are anti gun, but certainly a large part compared to Republicans. I would guess you could name two dems for every one republican gun grabber.

Got a love it when you hear a politician say I'm for hunting rights, then turn around and vote for a assault rifle ban, whatever they consider an assault rifle to be its their call.
Anyway hunting isn't a right, and the 2nd Amendment has nothing at all to do with hunting.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #99 on:** May 10, 2011, 02:26:53 PM »

Kinda like John Kerry crawling around in the brush with his trusty double barrel, deer hunting. Funny thing is liberals were stupid enough to believe that.

ironglow · « **Reply #100 on:** May 10, 2011, 02:51:37 PM »

As the Famous Grouse says; "Let's look at this rationally".. I agree, let's do that;
There is NO TANGIBLE RECORD of Republican/ conservatives trying to grab our guns, while undeniably the Democrat/liberals have a profuse record of attempting to destroy 2nd amendment rights.. Rational thinking would automatically tell hunters/gunowners to stick with a proven friend, rather than to install a gang that has ALWAYS been hostile to our cause...in hopes they may suddenly "see the light"...

Now, that is truly rational, isn't it !

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #101 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:32:06 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on May 10, 2011, 02:51:37 PM

There is NO TANGIBLE RECORD of Republican/ conservatives trying to grab our guns, while undeniably the Democrat/liberals have a profuse record of attempting to destroy 2nd amendment rights..

what was Dubya talking about, when he said he'd sign an extension of the AWB?

Casull · « **Reply #102 on:** May 10, 2011, 07:44:44 PM »

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what was Dubya talking about, when he said he'd sign an extension of the AWB?

What part of "tangible" do you not understand?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:05:16 PM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2011, 07:44:44 PM

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what was Dubya talking about, when he said he'd sign an extension of the AWB?

What part of "tangible" do you not understand?

I dunno; what part of a record is 'tangible'? I don't think I follow your question, which is about... a question I asked. I believe Dubya said he wanted to sign an extension of that '94 AWB; I didn't like that. Maybe Dubya wasn't serious?

I remember reading an interview with Dubya - American Rifleman, or maybe Field & Stream, long time back - and he was asked about rifles he has. Couldn't remember the cartridge - "a .253, maybe?" for a Win .243. Phoney.

Casull · « **Reply #104 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:18:04 PM »

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I believe Dubya said he wanted to sign an extension of that '94 AWB

Well, first of all, I think you are wrong. I believe Bush said he would sign an extension, not that he "wanted" to (since you want to parse words). Secondly, I believe he said this knowing that the bill would NOT end up on his desk (you know, making some political points at no real expense during an election year). Third, the fact remains that he did NOT sign an extension. Now, how about that tangible record of Republicans/conservatives trying to grab our guns (and I'm not talking about a couple of RINO's or Northeast Republicans voting with a MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS)?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #105 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:24:54 PM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2011, 08:18:04 PM

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I believe Dubya said he wanted to sign an extension of that '94 AWB

Well, first of all, I think you are wrong. I believe Bush said he would sign an extension, not that he "wanted" to (since you want to parse words). Secondly, I believe he said this knowing that the bill would NOT end up on his desk (you know, making some political points at no real expense during an election year). Third, the fact remains that he did NOT sign an extension. Now, how about that tangible record of Republicans/conservatives trying to grab our guns (and I'm not talking about a couple of RINO's or Northeast Republicans voting with a MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS)?

No need to be nasty. So you're thinking Dubya was disingenuous, maybe, that he really would not have signed that bill, while saying he would? Could be.

TAKE COVER!

Casull · « **Reply #106 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:27:13 PM »

Not being nasty, just responding. Oh, and you missed this part:

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Now, how about that tangible record of Republicans/conservatives trying to grab our guns (and I'm not talking about a couple of RINO's or Northeast Republicans voting with a MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS)?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #107 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:46:50 PM »

Quote from: Casull on May 10, 2011, 08:27:13 PM

Not being nasty, just responding. Oh, and you missed this part:

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Now, how about that tangible record of Republicans/conservatives trying to grab our guns (and I'm not talking about a couple of RINO's or Northeast Republicans voting with a MAJORITY of DEMOCRATS)?

You're gonna skip the RINOs? What about the big tent.

Yeah, the Repubs are generally better on guns... one reason I've never voted for a Democrat. Yet.

Casull · « **Reply #108 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:52:22 PM »

Soooo, can I take that as a no/none/I guess not?

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #109 on:** May 10, 2011, 08:57:13 PM »

Welllllll, you could take that as it was poasted.

Casull · « **Reply #110 on:** May 10, 2011, 09:00:38 PM »

ironglow · « **Reply #111 on:** May 11, 2011, 02:22:51 AM »

I am pleased that Casull asked.."just what part of "tangible" don't you understand ? That way, I didn't have to ask the same question.
Yes, there have been some onthe right who have suggested some infringement of one kind or another, but the outright banners are almost invariably on the left.
Generally speaking, we should remember that politicians are politicians and represent districts.. Since cities are the Democrat/liberal strongholds, the Dem/libs most often reflect city concerns and/or those people who are "bitter Clingers"

toward socialist values. The Republican/conservatives have the rest of the nation as it's constituency and reflect heartland values.
I suggest it is about time we realized we actually have 2 Americas, falling into general categories..with some crossover, of course.

A) We have one group with city values, less concerned with the Christian God, more inclined toward the "beehive" socialist mentality, appreciates big government, rejects Christian world/morals view, looks toward 'big brother' solutions and tends to accept such things as are frowned upon by God.
B) The other group is more in tune with independence, individuality, Christian values and mores, small govt, tends to reject 'big brother' and leans more toward self-sufficency in material things.
The city/country debate is age-old and never seemed to fracture our unity....
The major threat (IMO) is in the cultural divide, with some wanting to cast off the 5,000 year old values, much of which has been proven over the millennias, to work well . The rest of us see them as "throwing the baby out with the bath water" !

BTW; Yellowtail..I liked that picture of "W" preparing to shoot.. Had that been Obama with his experience in shooting, he would have wrapped both hands around the shotgun and looked for a hoop & net to throw it through !

THINK: Bush shoots guns..Obama shots hoops.. In leisure time, Bush & Reagan chopped wood & fixed fence, while Clinton & obama would be more inclined to attend a 'wine & cheese" event ! All quaint examples of the divide I've been speaking of..