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Offline RvA

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What Cannon is this?
« on: May 03, 2011, 05:16:04 PM »
Hello All,

While driving back from a rifle match this weekend.  I stopped at the Burgerking and sitting out front was this little piece of artillery.  Would anyone know anything about this?  The only marking s I could find was a LP on the left side trunnion, and a No 27 on the right trunnion.







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Roger

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 06:37:02 PM »
RvA,

 I would say it's a replica of a 3" Ordnance Rifle made by LaPan foundry.
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 07:25:09 PM »
I was thinking a Confederate Napoleon.  Hope they put some paint on the carriage soon.
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 08:20:14 PM »
I'll say it is a 3" ordanance rifle as well .  ;)
I too wish they'd take better care of it !

Ask them what they want for , they must not think too much of it .

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 02:37:17 AM »
RvA,  Welcome!  This cannon looks familiar.  I think I seen photos of it before.  It appears to have seen better days. Thanks for posting the pics.  Dom

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 03:02:55 AM »
That IS a LaPan Foundry barrel (modern replica). Most of the carriage hardware parts were cast by LaPan also.
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 03:21:41 AM »
Thanks for the information guys,

Maybe the next time I run down to VA I'll have to stop and ask, but being I live in PA that might be a while!!!!  LOL

Roger

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 05:06:13 AM »
    RvA,     Cat Whisperer posted a pic of this very same replica 3 years ago.  It was a night shot so the markings were not seen, I believe.  If you could tell us the name of the town where the Burger King was, then we would know for sure.

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 05:33:32 AM »
    RvA,     Cat Whisperer posted a pic of this very same replica 3 years ago.  It was a night shot so the markings were not seen, I believe.  If you could tell us the name of the town where the Burger King was, then we would know for sure.

Mike

New Market, VA is my guess.

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 07:37:41 AM »
Anyone know how LaPan built this barrel?  Is it a cast iron shooter with a steel sleeve?  If it is, it seems a waste to see it sitting in front of a BK.

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 08:32:48 AM »
Dom, It was a shooter, cast around a half- inch liner.
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 11:21:44 AM »
Heck if they're just gonna let it rot like that, I'll buy it from them so they can buy a display rather than a shooter.

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 12:34:36 PM »
I wonder how rusted the sleeve is.   The barrel doesn't seem to have a plug at the muzzle.

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2011, 01:36:14 PM »
     Thanks, Cat Whisperer, you confirmed what I was only guessing.  But of those two locations in New Market, I picked the one with the 4400 in the phone number which I remembered, 540-740-4400, and called them to confirm that it was really there.  The very nice young lady I talked to said, "Yes Sir, it is.....right outside.  Ya'll come by an' visit!"  So, there you go, that's probably only the second replica we will ever want to see in the United States.  There is a 100 Pdr. Parrott Rifle at Fort Pulaski, Georgia.  It looked so real, when I first saw it in 2002, that I had to get up really close to find it to be a fiberglass replica.  The tip off was the fact that the fort employees had tied it to the original 1859 carriage with bright, zinc plated hose clamps.  I thought, that's really odd; why, for heavens sake, would you tie down a tube which should weigh about 9,800 lbs.? A simple rap on the trunnion end told the story.  It was hollow.  Further confirming it's replica nature, was the fact that it had two rear sight masses, one on the right, (Correct) and one the left, (Incorrect) rimbases.

Thanks, Tim.

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2011, 03:08:07 PM »
I'll take more detailed pix next time through New Market.

Next scheduled trip for me is at the end of the month to shoot PD's in S.D., N.M. is North, not on the path West.
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2011, 03:22:07 AM »
hey guys,

I did take a few more shots of this gun, so here they are.....




























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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2011, 04:01:28 AM »
Is it just me or does the bore look off center?
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2011, 04:35:01 AM »
it sure does
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2011, 04:57:49 AM »
It looks wider on the left side as we face it, but the picture  was taken slightly left of center as we face it.  Distortion....?

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2011, 05:27:52 AM »
From the pictures you can get a pretty good indication of the high quality of La Pan barrels. As I recall, none of his barrels were lathe turned on the outside. What you see is how they came from the molds. It appears that all of the different pieces of hardware that La Pan sold are mounted on this carriage. The rest are homemade or were apparently never installed. The barrel is mounted upside down but I bet it never had the vent drilled through.
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2011, 05:55:35 AM »
Should we pass the hat and buy this for the Forum.....the climate in Montana is dry and would be more conducive to non destructive storage...I will volunteer my place for safe storage of the  forums cannon.  Please no accolades for my generosity.   ;D

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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2011, 06:21:23 AM »
Should we pass the hat and buy this for the Forum.....the climate in Montana is dry and would be more conducive to non destructive storage...I will volunteer my place for safe storage of the  forums cannon.  Please no accolades for my generosity.   ;D

DD,  Thanks for stepping up to the plate on this. In the winter you could store it in the living room with the dogs to keep it out of the snow. Thankyou for your generosity!    ;D
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Re: What Cannon is this?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2011, 06:49:30 AM »
That does it!  I'm sending a check! ;D
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