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NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« on: June 13, 2011, 03:42:06 AM »

FYI.....TM7

NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable
 


Implicitly acknowledges controlled demolition only means by which towers could have fallen at free fall speed

Paul Joseph Watson
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Tuesday, October 16, 2007
   
 

The National Institute for Standards and Technology has been forced to admit that the total free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only means by which the buildings could have come down.

In a recent letter (PDF link) to 9/11 victim's family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states, "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."

A 10,000 page scientific study only offers theories as to how the "collapse initiation" proceeded and fails to address how it was possible for part of a WTC structure to fall through the path of most resistance at freefall speed, completely violating the accepted laws of physics.

In addition, NIST's own studies confirmed that virtually none of the steel in either tower reached temperatures hotter than 500 degrees. The point at which steel weakens is 1000 degrees and melting point is reached at 1,500 degrees, according to NIST itself.
"NIST'S 10,000-page report purports to explain what it calls "collapse initiation" -- the loss of several floors' vertical support," writes Kevin Barrett of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "In order to dream up this preposterous scenario, NIST had to ignore its own tests that showed that virtually none of the steel got hotter than 500 degrees f. It had to claim that somehow the planes took out many core columns, despite the fact that only a direct hit by an engine would have been likely to do so, and that the chances of this happening even once are fairly low. It had to preposterously allege that the plane that nicked the corner of the South Tower took out more core columns than the one that hit the North Tower almost dead center. It had to tweak all the parameters till they screamed bloody murder and say that the steel was far weaker than it actually was, the fire was far hotter than it actually was, the sagging was far greater than it actually was, and so on. And so NIST hallucinated a computer-generated fantasy scenario for "collapse initiation"--the failure of a few floors."
"But how do you get from the failure of a few floors to total collapse at free-fall speed of the entire structure? The short answer: You don't. Anyone with the slightest grasp of the laws of physics understands that even if all of the vertical supports on a few floors somehow failed catastrophically at exactly the same moment--a virtually impossible event, but one necessary to explain why the Towers would come straight down rather than toppling sideways--the top part of the building could not fall THROUGH the still-intact, highly robust lower part of the building, straight through the path of most resistance, just as fast as it would have fallen through thin air."

"Thus total free-fall collapse, even given NIST's ridiculous "initiation" scenario, is utterly impossible. The probability of it happening is exactly equal to the probability of the whole building suddenly falling upward and landing on the moon," concludes Barrett.
NIST have yet to properly address the sudden freefall collapse of WTC Building 7, which imploded on the late afternoon of 9/11 despite not being hit by a jetliner.

In August 2006, NIST promised to scientifically evaluate whether explosive devices could have contributed to the 47-story building's collapse but no answers have been forthcoming.

In August of this year, James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, called for an independent inquiry into NIST's investigation of the collapse of the twin towers.

Quintiere said NIST's conclusions were "questionable", that they failed to follow standard scientific procedures and that their failure to address Building 7 belied the fact that the investigation was incomplete.


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Re: NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 10:04:25 AM »
You know it is funny. I went to the NIST home page and typed in WTC in the search engine and found the only the following links. None of which state that they cannot explain the WTC collapse. in fact a couple of the links specifically speak about the reasongs for WTC7's collapse.

Sure would like to see a copy of that letter. There does not appear to ba a link to any PDF that I could find. It seems to be more "he said she said" stuff to me.

These links should you choose to take a look are pretty interesting.


http://www.nist.gov/el/wtc7_090308.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/el/wtc7final_112508.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/el/building_materials/codes_060910.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_victims_location.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_agreements.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_agreements.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/el/investigations/wtc_083106.cfm
http://www.nist.gov/wtc/wtc_110305.cfm
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Re: NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2011, 11:27:29 AM »
"Dr. Quintiere also expressed his frustration at NIST’s failure to provide a report on the third skyscraper that collapsed on 9/11, World Trade Center Building 7. “And that building was not hit by anything,” noted Dr. Quintiere. “It’s more important to take a look at that. Maybe there was damage by the debris falling down that played a significant role. But other than that you had fires burning a long time without fire department intervention. And firefighters were in that building. I have yet to see any kind of story about what they saw. What was burning? Were photographs taken? Nothing!”

World Trade Center Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane on 9/11, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 8 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11. In the 6 years since 9/11, NIST has failed to provide any explanation for the collapse. In addition to NIST’s failure to provide an explanation, absolutely no mention of Building 7’s collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks."



Perhaps your esteemed Dr. Quintiere needs to go to the NIST home page and type in WTC in the search engine. He would then be able to access the link with the report on the collapse of WTC7. He also needs to reread the 9/11 commisions report as well.

I am actually glad that this topic came up the NIST webb site is pretty cool and has lots of interesting info.

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Re: NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2011, 11:30:10 AM »
TM7,

Not to be argumentative but "thouroughly debunked" by who? Also did this individual leave or get his walking papers for spouting nonsense.
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Re: NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 03:52:20 AM »
It is pretty amazing the information that is available on the webb. I read on post after post how WTC7 has never been explained. Then I read a post that states NIST has admitted the collapse of WTC is unexplainable. I go to the NIST homepage and there is not only no mention of the "unexplainable collapse" but there is a detailed explanation of how and why WTC7 collapsed. But according to "engineers and architects for 9/11 truth" it has been debunked. Yet having worked in the construction industry my entire adult life, and I interact with a great many architects and engineers, I have never heard one of them express doubts about the WTC collapse even when directly asked.  I assume it is OK to bring that up as "he said she said" seems to be an acceptable way of making a point.

When someone post a link to a site that gives very detailed explanations on the damage and causes of the collapsed towers and the Pentagon we always get the "webb site started by goverment to aid in coverup" or something similar. I have to ask agian why the information you "conspiracy theorist" post from the webb is any more legitimate than any of the information that us "neo-tinfoilers" as you refer to us provide?

Then again this is a forum called "Truth, Lies and Conspiracy Theories". For my part the information I have found on the webb while researching some of the post has erased what little doubt I had to begin with concerning the 9/11 conspiracy theory.
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Re: NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 04:13:05 AM »
NIST is a cover...they also lie

..TM7

That seems to be a rediculous assertion to make when you use them as the primary reference on the original post.

to paraphrase so far:

     first statement: NIST says the collapse is unexplainable

     rebuttal: not according to their website

     followup: yeah, but they are a cover and are liars



Sorry, but that is the most rediculous chain of logic I've seen in a long time. 

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Re: NIST admits collaspse of WTC is Unexplainable..
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 05:21:23 AM »
 ;D ;D ;) ;)

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Nicely put flatlander
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