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Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« on: June 27, 2011, 07:09:59 PM »
  Many of us wonder what ails our beloved republic.  Here's an explanation by Dr Alexander Tyler, and written over 200 years ago.
  Now some doubt the authorship of this critique...and that is OK, the true principles still stand firm as a rock.  Any fairly well read student of history both ancient and modern, will recognize the progression.  Read it and see if you don't agree !

    Democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from
the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for
the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning
of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these
nations always progressed through the following sequence:
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1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "
>



 BTW:  Where do you think we are on this scale with the present powers we have in Washington ?
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 12:51:06 AM »
I would guess in the apathy to dependence stage. It won't be long. Especially with all the people that are in full support of dependence.
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.    Wm. Penn

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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 01:29:39 AM »
  I tend to agree with you as to position, apathy to dependence..  The coming 2012 election con be a watershed election.  If it goes as expected and a candidate comes from the right offering less candy and freebies, but an opportunity to save the country from ruin; it will once again be up to the voters.
    Have they learned anything over the most recent years ?
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 04:04:36 AM »
I would guess in the apathy to dependence stage. It won't be long. Especially with all the people that are in full support of dependence.



yes  there are  even  freedom loving people  on this   forum
that beleive  government  needs to prevent dumb people from taking drugs

freedom   isn't free........and  people  are so willing to give up some one elses freedoms
then  who is left to stand  up  when  some one  wants to take one of their freedoms?
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 04:31:44 AM »
I'm wondering at what time in this country's history were Americans considered to be most free.  And what would be the criteria?  For me, the unrestricted use of mind altering drugs wouldn't even make the list.
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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 04:36:31 AM »
I'm wondering at what time in this country's history were Americans considered to be most free.  And what would be the criteria?  For me, the unrestricted use of mind altering drugs wouldn't even make the list.

NOT  TO  ME  EITHER

but....its  not  my place to speak for  others

many people  don't  think  they are free  if  we  own  a gun
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 05:02:27 AM »
It's not a question of speaking for others, it's about speaking up for what kind of society you want to live in.  A pure libertarian society assumes that personal activities will have no effect on the quality of life of society in general.  To the extent that that is true, I'm good.  However, the notion that recreational drug use can be nondetrimental to society in general is a pipedream.
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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 05:07:53 AM »
It's not a question of speaking for others, it's about speaking up for what kind of society you want to live in.  A pure libertarian society assumes that personal activities will have no effect on the quality of life of society in general.  To the extent that that is true, I'm good.  However, the notion that recreational drug use can be non-detrimental to society in general is a pipedream.
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Re: Probably as good an explanation as you can find..
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 05:21:27 AM »
i  don't like it  when  some moron  lights up a cigarette   in front of my  child

but  even  tho   MY  world evolved around  MY  kids....THE  world doesn't

i  don't care if you kill yourself with cigarettes...if you want to
but you should see the reaction  when  i would  TELL  a grown man or woman
NOT TO SMOKE NEAR  MY CHILD...........and  i have physically removed  it from their mouth

i was refering to the post  that  would give up freedoms  and place people into BONDAGE
for the better good  of society

looks like  i trolled and  got  some  anti-freedom  post to  materialize

when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.