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Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« on: September 15, 2011, 02:51:25 PM »
When shooting my GB mortar the golf balls go 200+ yards with anywhere from 90 grains of 3FFF GOEX to 125 grains of 3FFF GOEX. I just bought some Fox GB sized steel balls. What should I expect for distance using the same loads?

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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 03:12:14 PM »
I have no idea what range you would get with 100 grains of BP and a Fox ball but I would strongly recommend starting with 25 grains and working upward.  I can't give you a useful maximum since I don't know how strongly your mortar is constructed.
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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 03:22:02 PM »
My mortar was built by one of the forum sponsors so we can assume it was built strongly.
What I was trying to find out was a kind of ratio. In other words, if x grains sends a golf ball y distance, then what distance will x grains send a Fox ball?
Not looking for something scientific here, just looking to make sure I don't send a steel ball off the range.

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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 03:28:03 PM »
I would say for starters the ratio would be the ratio of the weights of the two types of shot.  That will be very rough.  The easiest way is to start with a small charge and increase gradually.  At least you won't lose those first few balls.
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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 04:59:21 PM »
I would say for starters the ratio would be the ratio of the weights of the two types of shot.  That will be very rough.  The easiest way is to start with a small charge and increase gradually.  At least you won't lose those first few balls.
I guess that is what I will I have to do.

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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2011, 05:09:38 PM »
I am reminded of Federals inside Fort Sumter whom lacking mortars set up a Columbiad barrel in a trench as an alternative.  The decided to test it and used what they thought was a very small charge and set it off.  To their horror it appeared like it might make it to Charleston which would have meant that they fired the first shot of the war.  Fortunately it only landed near a Confederate row boat that was patrolling the harbor.  This caused the Confederates to seek a conference with the Federals to find out what was going on.

My long winded point being start with an extremely light charge and work up.
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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2011, 05:24:45 PM »
My long winded point being start with an extremely light charge and work up.
I guess I'm going to do that. I was hoping to avoid having other people on the firing line watch me flop a steel ball some ridiculously short distance while I was trying to dial in the powder charge.

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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2011, 05:43:46 PM »
My long winded point being start with an extremely light charge and work up.
I guess I'm going to do that. I was hoping to avoid having other people on the firing line watch me flop a steel ball some ridiculously short distance while I was trying to dial in the powder charge.

Why, you are developing loads and if others snicker it is because of their ignorance.  Take copius notes on your  charges, and their ranges,  Also keep you increments small, you will be surprised the difference five grains can make.  Also consider using FFg withthe steel ball.  FFFg is pretty fast burning and will have higher pressure than the FFg.

Takle picture, video if you can and report back with the results. 

Als prepare for an extreme increase in recoil.

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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2011, 09:39:58 PM »
While I understand the differences between BPCR, Muzzleloaders, and Cannons, I feel compelled to share something I learned loading BPCR in 45-70.  While the windage of a mortar or cannon barrel may produce different results something strange occured when switching from 350 grain bullets to 525 grain bullets.  I was loading for fun not competition, but the chronograph had some interesting data to share.  The 350 gr cast bullet loaded with 60 gr of 2F Goex the chronograph averaged 1,173 fps.  With 525 gr postell bullets the velocity averaged 1,125 fps using the same charge.  Since the velocity difference was so close but the energy levels so vastly different the heavier bullet flew further, and was more accurate at over 150 yards.  I strongly recommend that you greatly reduce the powder charges to allow for the pressure increases as well as the increase in the carried energy of the projectile which will at least equal the travel distance of the projectile.
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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2011, 03:15:27 PM »
The reciol will be MUCH more severe with a Fox ball ! My bronze mortar actually flipped over using 30 grs. It shoot GBs with that charge very nicely .
 
It will not go near as far as a golfball .
 
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Re: Powder load, steel ball vs golf ball?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2011, 05:00:54 PM »
What DD said... except instead of using FFg you might even want to consider using Fg for steel and lead/wheel-weight balls.  The mass of the ball(s) will allow the coarser powder to build sufficient pressure nicely...  I too prefer the FFFg when shooting the lightweight golf balls but personally would definately switch to Fg or FFFFa for the metal varities.
 
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