I kind of went the other way with my 30-30 .Because the handy is so versital, and because hunting ranges are so short where I hunt,And because I had them,I loaded up a bunch of Rem. 180 grn SP core locts. They shoot 1 in grps at 100 yds and do everything I could ever ask of them. The Handy rifle in 30-30, is on the top of my list as one of the best Handys made.