Lack of struggle within Islam

[Cabin4]

Another fabrication from TM. You start the high & mighty criticism of peoples writing & grammar then blame me for it. On top of that , you never answer the hard questions. I asked you for some hard facts on these Christian groups. That should be simple to list given your staunch condemnation of them and their direct connection to terror attacks. I asked you to reconcile your claims that Israel is behind supporting Qudaffi and the claim that Christians radicals are bombing Libya in the name of Jesus. I asked you if you believe that Islam has been hijacked?
 
I know what your answer is on Islam. Your silence gives us the answer. Why won’t you admit you support Islamic radicals and that you denounce Christianity? We do still have the 1^st amendment here so I see no need for your to worry.
 

[yellowtail3]

Why won’t you admit you support Islamic radicals and that you denounce Christianity?

We do still have the 1^st amendment here so I see no need for your to worry.

Maybe admitting the above isn't what he wants to say, and doesn't really explain his position? But TM7 can say... I'd just be speculating...

[Cabin4]

Why won’t you admit you support Islamic radicals and that you denounce Christianity?

We do still have the 1^st amendment here so I see no need for your to worry.

Maybe admitting the above isn't what he wants to say, and doesn't really explain his position? But TM7 can say... I'd just be speculating...

That’s what happens when someone asks you a question several times and you get no answer. Your left to speculate. With a yes or no being sufficient, it does not take much speculation in this case. Its like not its off topic.

[yellowtail3]

That’s what happens when someone asks you a question several times and you get no answer. Your left to speculate.

true, unless the question being asked is one of those 'when did you stop beating your wife' type questions...

[powderman]

CABIN 4. HEH, the drama continues. Hope you have your boots on, don't want to get any of that on you. How much deeper can it get?? Very amusing. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

.......................
........................ Very amusing. POWDERMAN. 

Not to me it isn't.

[Cabin4]

TM7,
I went to your favorite data source Bing and typed in the following two searches and received the following results.
 
1. Christian Terror Attacks: 43 search results
2. Muslim Terror Attacks: 24,400,000 search results
 
 
Based your data source, Muslim Terror Attack incidents, episodes, ect out number the Christians by 567,441 times or Christian are 0.0000017 ratio to the Islamic.
 
Would you prefer to distance yourself from Bing as your favorite data source or finally concede your making things up?

Oh really boss!! Moslem attacks 24.4 mill hits....wow!! imagine that in this day an age......
 
I just BINGed  'American Terrorism' and got 33,300,000 hits..geezum crow...seems like the muzzies don't have complete authorship or ownership of this 'terrorism' thing you're enamored to.
 
BINGing 'American Terorism history' I got 41,200,000 hits.....Certainly, all these millions of hits can't be from muzzie sympathizers, astroturfers, socialists, libbers, union thugs,  or commies...
 
You know what C4,,,not only is islam struggling within and under attack, Christianity hyjacked and struggling within and in the throes of perpetual war...but from your tone and commentary I'd say C4 is struggling within...primarily with a dissonance ego problem
 
So now, have a look at page 1---maybe you should try reading some of these articles...instead of dwelling on your own posts:
 
   Related Searches

• American Terrorism Study
• American Terrorism History
• American Terrorism Timeline
• African American Terrorism
• The Father of American Terrorism
• South America Terrorism
• U.S. Terrorism History
• History of Terrorism Attacks

SEARCH HISTORY 
       All Results1-10 of 33,300,000 results· Advanced   

• American terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia        American terrorism might refer to: Domestic terrorism in the United States, terrorism allegedly carried out in the United States by American citizens
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_terrorism
• American Terrorism Study: Patterns of Behavior, Investigation and ...       The author(s) shown below used Federal funds provided by the U.S. Department of Justice and prepared the following final report: American Terrorism Study: Patterns of ...
   www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/193420.pdf · PDF file
• "American Terrorism"       The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to ...
   www.associatedcontent.com/article/2824200/american_terrorism.html
• The Weapons Of American Terrorism - Jeff Rense Program       The Weapons Of American Terrorism From Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower By William Blum 9-25-1
   www.rense.com/general14/wap.htm
• Obama Administration Sponsors the Sponsors of Anti-American Terrorism       Sep 18, 2011 · Xpress Blogs. Ed Driscoll Quote of the Day; Barry Rubin It's A Bird (Actually a Turkey), It's A Plane, It's A Totally Wimpy U.S. Foreign Policy! Richard Fernandez ...
   pajamasmedia.com/.../obama-administration-sponsors-the-sponsors-of-anti-american-terrorism
• Terrorism Through Americas History - American History From About       Read the history of numerous terrorist attacks that have affected American life.
   americanhistory.about.com/library/fastfacts/blffterrorism.htm
• American Muslims speak on terrorism, tolerance and future of the faith       Sep 16, 2011 · Islam in America will evolve over the next generation as a unique, indigenous religion shaped by American culture and ideals, scholar and presidential ...
   www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/129930058.html
• Terrorism Expert: Since 9/11, Only 33 Deaths From Muslim Terrorism ...       Sep 10, 2011 · Muslim American terrorism, then, has been a very small, very low percentage of the overall violence in the United States.
   thinkprogress.org/security/2011/09/10/316260/terrorism-expert-since-911-only-33-deaths...
• AMERICAN TERRORISM - Black Holocaust in America       AMERICAN TERRORISM. White Race Riots & Lynching 1824-1951. The mob moved on the city streets. Fleeing before it, some escaped. Where others did not there was a ...
   www.blackwallstreet.freeservers.com/AMERICAN%20TERRORISM.htm
• Obama Administration Sponsors the Sponsors of Anti-American Terrorism       Sep 21, 2011 · Obama Administration Sponsors the Sponsors of Anti-American Terrorism. I s there any sponsor of anti-American terrorism in the Middle East that the Obama ...
   www.crethiplethi.com/...of-anti-american-terrorism/islamic-countries/pakistan 

AND BTW C4....WHEN I BINGed 'CHRISTIAN TERRORISM' I GOT 17,900,000 HITS NOT 43 AS IN YOUR SEARCH...    You might want to look into and do alittle reading instead of you 'terrorizing' this board...
 
 
...TM7
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Well the only problem TM7 is your changing the subject here because you made statements that you can't back up with anything other than your hyper extrapolations of Bing search result qtys. You said Bing Search Results qty was your source so that’s what I used. Now you want to distance yourself from Bing Results Qty as a data point and your changing the search from "Christian Radicals" to American. Nice try there, but again, you keep forgetting we have your statements in writing. You also said earlier that the Jews are behind and supporting Qudaffi. Still looking for that information. You still have not answered the question on Islam being radical, guess that won't happen either.
 
Obviously the point TM relative to using Bing search result qty is: It is extremely misleading and more likely patently misleading on your part. That is the point I was trying to make about stating Bing search result qty and then saying,……Well there it is…. a bunch of Bing Search Results, its true…..
 
Perhaps if you could get your lies and source data lined up correctly that would help. I’m not going to waste my time looking at your trash links. Given your history here, it’s likely just another waste of time. If you could just peg your assertions on some real facts, then build out from there, you might get some traction with listeners. But because you peddle so much bunk and contradictions from one post to the next, most people just think your full of it.
 

[billy_56081]

Old tm posts that he gets millions of hits when he searches American terrorism. What he fails to point out being it does not fit his agenda, is that 99% of these "American terrorist attacks" were attacks on Americans by muslims. Kinda skews his facts don't it?

[billy_56081]

TM just because the facts don't fit your agenda does not make them less true. I think you need to do a little reading and not cherry pick the few that support your agenda.

[ironglow]

TM;
  This idea of "Christianity hijacked" is not believeable to most anybody with Biblical knowledge.  Probably the only ones we find believing that would be the same one who bought, read and swallowed the work of fiction called "The Da Vinci code".  Here was a yarn... new to some, which has through the centuries been revived, believed by a few, then proven untrue put to bed for another hundred years or so.  Some conspiracy addicts cling a bit longer however.
 
  You then in post #30 try to present "references" to "prove" your contention..so you dig up a few blogs by malcontents who simply babble anti-christian spew, with nothing to back it up !
  At one point you refer to the Washington Post and a writer named Covert I. King, who spouts on and on about the "Christian Right"...almost none of which bears any relationship to the truth.  I and others here a site better judge of the Christian right than he, simply because he is not one. 
     Do you recall the story of the 3 blind men who tried to describe an elephant, while one had hold of a leg, the other a hold on the tail and the third a tusk ?  That is just how much accuracy CI King has here....
 
  Here is what he said at one point (my corrections in color)..
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    " And that's just it. Americans of faith -- and those lacking one --he prefers fellowship with unbelievers.. ought to vigorously resist attempts by power-hungry zealots to impose their religious views nobody imposing; take it or leave it on the nation. That means standing up to them at every turn..Fine, let's debate, using the Bible as the authority.
It means challenging them when they say of Americans who support a woman's right to choose..you mean 'right to kill',  (Prov 31:8,9); the right of two adults to enter into a loving, committed, state-sanctioned, monogamous relationship; homosexuality an abomination, see (Romans 1:24-28) the right to pursue science in support of life ummmm, taking the life of embryonic boys & girls; the right of the aggrieved to launch aggressive assaults against racism, sexism and homophobia, that they are not legitimate members of the flock racism, sexism & homophobia Who's definition?. Where do those on the religious right get off thinking they have the right to decide who is in and who is out..who is in and out of what ?? Who appointed them sole promoters and defenders of the faith? The BIBLE is the final arbiter of the faith..he who stays closer to the Bible is closer to the faith! What makes them think they are more holy and righteous than the rest of us?  Certainly we are no more holy than anybody,closer to the TRUTH perhaps...As far as righteous..whoever adheres to the Bible closer, is obviously the more correct !
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Then TM; in your efforts to PROVE Christianity has been "hijacked"..you turn to an ISLAMIC BOOKSTORE..for an attack on Christ book by an author named AL HAJ, and a publisher named A.D. Ajijola...
   NOW THAT"S REALLY A "FAIR & BALANCED" CRITIQUE OF CHRISTIANITY !!  First a practical unbeliever and second some Imam..cursing Christ !

[Cabin4]

No TM7. No struggle here. I just wanted to prove that you use trash data points and hyper extrapolations as the basis for most of your assertions. That part is done. Your contradictions and poor data points are crystal clear.
 
The other point is your refusal to answer the question with a Yes or No on Islam being hijacked by radicals. Obviously I’ll conclude you believe the answer is NO. We know you believe Christianity has been hijacked by radicals. Now, on any scale, that makes you a loose cannon. It shows in the poor quality of your posts.
 
 
 

[billy_56081]

TM;
  This idea of "Christianity hijacked" is not believeable to most anybody with Biblical knowledge.  Probably the only ones we find believing that would be the same one who bought, read and swallowed the work of fiction called "The Da Vinci code".  Here was a yarn... new to some, which has through the centuries been revived, believed by a few, then proven untrue put to bed for another hundred years or so.  Some conspiracy addicts cling a bit longer however.
 
  You then in post #30 try to present "references" to "prove" your contention..so you dig up a few blogs by malcontents who simply babble anti-christian spew, with nothing to back it up !
  At one point you refer to the Washington Post and a writer named Covert I. King, who spouts on and on about the "Christian Right"...almost none of which bears any relationship to the truth.  I and others here a site better judge of the Christian right than he, simply because he is not one. 
     Do you recall the story of the 3 blind men who tried to describe an elephant, while one had hold of a leg, the other a hold on the tail and the third a tusk ?  That is just how much accuracy CI King has here....
 
  Here is what he said at one point (my corrections in color)..
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
 
    " And that's just it. Americans of faith -- and those lacking one --he prefers fellowship with unbelievers.. ought to vigorously resist attempts by power-hungry zealots to impose their religious views nobody imposing; take it or leave it on the nation. That means standing up to them at every turn..Fine, let's debate, using the Bible as the authority.
It means challenging them when they say of Americans who support a woman's right to choose..you mean 'right to kill',  (Prov 31:8,9); the right of two adults to enter into a loving, committed, state-sanctioned, monogamous relationship; homosexuality an abomination, see (Romans 1:24-28) the right to pursue science in support of life ummmm, taking the life of embryonic boys & girls; the right of the aggrieved to launch aggressive assaults against racism, sexism and homophobia, that they are not legitimate members of the flock racism, sexism & homophobia Who's definition?. Where do those on the religious right get off thinking they have the right to decide who is in and who is out..who is in and out of what ?? Who appointed them sole promoters and defenders of the faith? The BIBLE is the final arbiter of the faith..he who stays closer to the Bible is closer to the faith! What makes them think they are more holy and righteous than the rest of us?  Certainly we are no more holy than anybody (only God is holy)...As far as righteous..whoever adheres to the Bible closer, is obviously the more correct !
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Then TM; in your efforts to PROVE Christianity has been "hijacked"..you turn to an ISLAMIC BOOKSTORE..for an attack on Christ book by an author named AL HAJ, and a publisher named A.D. Ajijola...
NOW THAT"S REALLY A "FAIR & BALANCED" CRITIQUE OF CHRISTIANITY !!  First a practical unbeliever and second some Imam..cursing Christ !

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Totally ridiculous, dishonest, and intellectually disingenous IG.,...You think I'm going to seive thru 20 or 30 million hits and edit out quirky posts by pro abortionist, evolutionists, moslems as you did??...This is stooping below the level of even C4 to corrupt somebody's post. HARDLY--not going to do that,,,, I'm going to present the 'search' just as BING does....I expect the intelligience level here to be able to disregard this extraneous stuff from the BING Search and consider those references concerning the thesis of Christianity in Crisis and in a struggle within I'm discussing; and filter out the Red Herrings you and C4 attempt to present.  But let's never never discount the ability of IG and C4 to disappoint and mince a post....BTW,,,this thesis is not mine. This Christianity in Crisis or struggling is a widely held concern of many Christian Theologians, and has been for decades.....your ignorance is showing..either that or your cognitive dissonance.
 
I think you underestimate the intelligence of many readers on this forum....and resort to yet another cheap shot again. maybe you should go back to screwing in fuses in 'bombs of peace', or trashing moslems for your next CHRISTIAN WORLD WAR 3...(got that C4??...CHRISTIAN WORLD WAR #3..got that??)
 
Earlier, I gave a clue to the more astute reader on the origins of this Christian Crisis and Struggle; and that was to do search on Darby + Scofield + Christianty.  Such a search reveals the true origins of Christianity's hyjacking, AND I DO MEAN HYJACKING,,,the reason and purveyors, answers C4's twisted rhetorical question on Christian actors in the perpetual  war....and this is something IG will go to any and all lengths to coverup...any and all lengths.
 
C4...yeah, yeah...ok, yeah....yada-yada-yada...yeah, no struggle,,,riiight,,,yeah OK,,,yada-yada-yada..
 
...TM7 

Ah yes you are! Simple as that.

[BBF]

I've got to ask.
Who is moderating this outpouring of personal attacks.
 
I'm sick of it !!

[powderman]

I've got to ask.
Who is moderating this outpouring of personal attacks.
 
I'm sick of it !!

 
Scatter. I saw no personal attacks, just stop reading, scroll up or down. POWDERMAN. 

[Cabin4]

I don't see much personal attacks. I see many attacks on information and source. Nothing wrong with that.

[billy_56081]

I don't see much personal attacks. I see many attacks on information and source. Nothing wrong with that.

Cabin to some if you doubt their word as gospel they take it as a personal attack.

[Cabin4]

I've got to ask.
Who is moderating this outpouring of personal attacks.
 
I'm sick of it !!

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You're absolutely right Scatter...clearly some persons idea of a debate, like IG, C4, Billy, Pman..etc...is to mince and deflect from a poster's posts, feign confusion, deliberately misintepret, create red herrings, and generally malaligne or infer character issues with posters they don't like....anything to try to dominate a discussion or gang up as they see fit.  Unfortunately, this has become stock and trade tactics of the self-styled conservative clique as we see here again and again. Once upon a time being a conservative meant high standards of honesty, integrity, examination, and respect....well you can forget about that now. We see that has all gone the way of the wind with the current crop of conservatives....now much worse than the libbers they so often accuse of being inferior souls.. ...Go figure--its like dealing with children!..!!.. I thank the mods of this forum for tolerance in allowing this to be brought out in narcissistic state USA...because this is one real story behind the story.
 
..TM7

First you agree with Scatter then you launch a pure personal attack, shot gun style. You really should try and get back on topic TM.
 
We are entitled to our opinion of your data sources, like it or not. Lets face it, Bing Search qty results is hardly a data point.

[nw_hunter]

I've got to ask.
Who is moderating this outpouring of personal attacks.
 
I'm sick of it !!

 
Scatter. I saw no personal attacks, just stop reading, scroll up or down. POWDERMAN. 

Well you are keeping your eyes closed tight then! I have been reading nothing but personal attacks in almost every post, so guess what?